FULL TRANSCRIPT: Elon Musk At America PAC Town Hall in Pennsylvania

ELON MUSK: The lights in my eyes and stuff, it’s hard to see.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Hi, my name is Jasmine. I’m originally from Malaysia and I’ve been here 20 years. I came here legally. I see a lot of immigration and a lot of immigrants who came here legally. They all support Trump and they want a strong economy. They want family values and all that.

And by the way, I came here because my daughter goes to school here. She told me to come over. I used to be really, really active in promoting Trump campaign four years ago and I got burned out and I’m so frustrated. And it’s all because of the cheating. So what are we going to do with that?

ELON MUSK: Well, there is, I think, some amount of cheating that takes place. It’s hard because when you have mail-in ballots and no sort of proof of citizenship, it becomes almost impossible to prove cheating is the issue. So a lot of people are like, you’ve made it impossible to actually prove that there’s cheating.

But statistically, there are some very strange things that happen that are statistically incredibly unlikely. So there’s always a question of like, say, the Dominion voting machines. It is weird that the, you know, I think they’re used in Philadelphia and in Maricopa County, but not in a lot of other places. Doesn’t that seem like a coincidence?

So I think there’s, you know, my view would only do. It’s too easy to hack. It’s too easy to hack. I just want one. And it’s really difficult to hack paper ballots. So, you know, in-person voting with ID, which, by the way, every country has. I mean, like almost every country that has democratic elections requires in-person voting with voter ID. It’s super weird to not have that. I think that’s the only way to effectively address fraud.

So, you know, given that we are where we are today, I think we just need a very big margin of victory. You know, there’s, yeah. If the margin of victory is big enough, then, you know, as they say, it’s got to beat the cheat. Yeah. So that’s it.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Elon, first off, you’re my hero and I love your sneakers. So if you do choose to be the head of the Department of Government Efficiency. What do you think about we stop giving money to other countries such as Israel, Ukraine, and we stop funding forever wars? Most likely it’s going to the deep state anyway.

ELON MUSK: Yeah. Well, I think in general, the amount of waste that happens with the federal government is really staggering. It’s a staggering amount of waste of taxpayer money. And if we’re, you know, for any given expenditure, we have to say, well, what does this do for the citizens of America? Like, how is this good for the people of America? That’s it’s their money.

Like for some weird reason, love, you know, a lot of people in the sort of, you know, state or whatever, politicians, they seem to forget that the money being spent is your money. And if it’s not spending being spent in a way that is beneficial to the American people, it’s a misuse of the funds. So, yeah. I mean, there’s a lot of money that’s being spent where sort of illegals are getting more benefits than citizens. Like, what the heck is that? That doesn’t make any sense.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Hi Elon. So as we bring government spending and look inward to our country, I am a government employee. I care about innovation and efficiency. With your vision for a Department of Government Efficiency, you know, what can we do? What can we do? How can we support you? And also, how can we spotlight the needs of people in North Carolina? The body count is abnormally underreported. You know, what can we do to press on that and to support people within our country?

ELON MUSK: Sure. Well, I do think that, you know, government efficiency is not something about reducing the size of government, but making sure that there are incentives for excellent work. You know, so if somebody’s, you know, whatever you incent will happen. So if you have incentives for excellent work, and by the same token, if someone’s not doing excellent work, they’re exited, it’s just like normal. It’s really what happens in a properly functioning company is that you reward or think of a sports team.

The players that are doing well, they get rewarded. And the players that are not doing well, they exit the team. And that should just be how it works. And I think that will have a profound effect on the effectiveness of government.

Because whatever you incent will happen. So if the incentives are aligned with, you know, with saving people in North Carolina, then that’s what will happen. But if, you know, you have a sort of a failed response to the disasters, to the hurricane disasters, and no one even gets fired, well, okay, what do you expect? No one’s going to take action.

You know, if there’s a track record of failure, you have to exit the people who failed. Otherwise, people will look around and say, well, I guess I don’t need to do anything, because, you know, nothing bad happens to you even if you do a terrible job and people die, which is insane. So.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Hi, Elon. Hi, Elon. Can you tell us about your trip to Israel?

ELON MUSK: Yeah. It was a very moving trip. So, you know, there’s – yeah, it’s a very moving trip. Definitely one of the toughest regions to – you know, like how do you – what set of actions result in the greater good in Israel? I mean, obviously, you cannot have people who, you know, if they want to float everyone in Israel, you’ve got to stop that. There’s no – you know, there’s no way – yeah.

Those people either need to be killed or incarcerated, or they will simply try to kill more Israelis, which is what it amounts to, obviously. And they want to kill Americans, too, by the way. Generally, Israel is referred to as the little Satan and America, we have the big Satan. That’s what the Ayatollah calls us.

So, you know, so I think, you know, I think a lot of what’s happening there is people are being taught to hate in Gaza from when they’re children. They’re taught to hate. And that’s really the thing that needs to stop for there to be, you know, long-term peace, hopefully, is that you just cannot have the kids be taught to hate from the moment they can talk. That’s fundamental.

So, you know, so I think there’s kind of a three-step process there, which is, as you mentioned, one has to do the difficult thing, which is to –

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Eliminate Hamas?

ELON MUSK: Yes, eliminate Hamas, exactly. And then, so, and then the – I think also going forward, anyone who’s teaching hatred in Gaza or elsewhere, you know, they need to stop doing that. That can’t be acceptable.

And we have to stop – And we have to stop, yeah, kids being taught to hate America in America. So – And then the third thing that’s also very important – In Gaza. So this is very difficult. It’s like how do you sort of, you know, after terrible things have been done, you then have to sort of, you know, you have to bring prosperity to Gaza.

And that’s the thing that will ensure, provided kids are not taught to hate, and there’s long-term prosperity, I think there will be peace in Gaza. And we see an example of that after World War II, where with Germany and Japan, they were defeated, they obviously did terrible things, but changed the education system. And unlike World War I, we helped rebuild Japan and Germany, the Marshall Plan. Instead of exacting vengeance, America insisted we’re going to help rebuild Germany, we’re going to help rebuild Japan, and now they’re our allies. And there’s been no war ever since.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Hi. Welcome to Delaware County. And I want to say congratulations on the successful redocking of your –

ELON MUSK: Thank you. Yeah, I mean, honestly, it was a great week. Yeah, we had the Tesla sort of cool autonomous car and robot stuff, which I think is going to be really, really great.

You know, I think, you know, who wouldn’t want their own personal C3PO R2D2? It’d be awesome, you know? So I think that we’re going to build some awesome, like, helper robots and autonomous cars. And then, I mean, this was a good day.

Faye, just smiling upon us here. Thank you. You know, we caught the rocket, which is just totally nuts. You know? You see the – That rocket booster, it’s the largest, heaviest flying object ever made, and it just got caught by Mechazilla arms. You know, kind of like, you know, Karate Kid, but bigger. Catch on the fly with chopsticks, you know?

AUDIENCE MEMBER: So, my question is, do you think there is a shadow government behind the Biden-Harris administration?

ELON MUSK: I mean, it’s – Well, let me put it this way, it’s not Biden. We know that for a fact. Okay. The zoo’s, like, barely got two functional neurons, so, you know, it’s like, and he just seems to be at the beach. He’s obviously not in charge. So, I mean, when the polls started going low on Biden, he, you know, he was saying, oh, he’s staying in the race, he’s staying in the race, but then I guess the real power is that he told them he’s not, you know?

AUDIENCE MEMBER: So, who is it that’s behind him? We know Obama, okay, but Obama –

ELON MUSK: I mean, I’m just as curious as you are. You know, it is, as far as I can determine, there isn’t any one sort of puppet master. It’s more like there’s a thousand or, I don’t know, a lot. But, I mean, I’d like to talk to them to understand more about, listen, what are your goals, puppet masters? I’m just curious. I mean, maybe, I agree with some of them, it’s possible. But it’s just obvious that Biden’s not in charge, it’s obvious that Kamala’s not in charge. I mean, Kamala’s, they just replaced the Biden puppet with the Kamala puppet, very obviously.

And you can tell, like, if the teleprompter stops working, then the puppet stops, breaks, and it’s like, whoop. The puppet just starts looping because the teleprompter broke. I don’t have a teleprompter. I can just talk like a normal human.

So, I mean, yeah, I think it’s not, from what I can tell, it’s not one puppet master, it’s many. But, you know, it’s interesting to see the crossover between the Epstein client list and Kamala’s puppet masters. I bet there’s a lot of names that appear on both lists. Oh, sorry.

Yeah, Denny, too. Denny did it.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Elon, my name is Gregory Stenstrom. I’m from here, Delaware County. Two people who know me. In my hands, you asked earlier if you’d like to go to a hand count. We have three federal suits right now. One, because we know for a fact, and we have proof, that the election code and the machines in Dominion and Hardin-Pacific are fraudulent here, right here in Delaware County. Secretary of State Jonathan Marks admitted this in court last week.

ELON MUSK: Wow, he did?

AUDIENCE MEMBER: In court, on a transcript.

ELON MUSK: I didn’t read about that. For some reason, the legacy media forgot to report about that one.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: How many people here know me?

ELON MUSK: I mean, I usually keep up with these things, and I did not know that.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Well, we’re also co-defendants. Leah Hoopes and myself, also from Delaware County, we’re co-defendants with President Trump and Rudy Giuliani in a defamation suit, where we proved over 952 days that there was massive election fraud in 2020. We proved that in court. It’s a matter of public record. We also have the proof that the election machines that are currently being used are fraudulent.

We have videos right now that I can show you of ballot boxes being stuffed here in Delaware County, Montgomery County, Chester County, and across the state. We have that video. We have submitted this to the Federal Court of Pre-Federal Cases. We have a SCOTUS case right here.

And the SCOTUS case is just simple. It asks the DOJ to rescind their policy not to investigate election fraud.

ELON MUSK: Which seems crazy.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: We are being blocked.

ELON MUSK: Yeah, I mean, this DOJ is doing a great… Just take the J out of the name, you know. Department of Injustice.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: What I’d like you to do, Elon, is I don’t want to take too much time, and I know this is kind of a shock, but we have a book here, The Parallel Election. I have a Supreme Court case. And I have the federal suits here. We’ve called your people. We’ve called the people who are supposed to be helping.

We have hundreds of people right now, ready. They’re out taking videos. They’re training poll workers. And we are not getting support from many of the people in the first front rows here. And their pictures, if you want to know who they are, are in this book.

ELON MUSK: What I recommend is to post content on the X platform, and then people can argue and say it’s right or wrong. But, you know, if you have videos or evidence, then post them publicly on social media. And then people can, you know, judge for themselves, exactly.

Okay, great. Excellent. Thank you. Anyway, let’s not get contentious. This is, I think, you know, teamwork makes the dream work here. Whatever the situation, I don’t want to dissuade anyone from voting. It’s very important to vote.

So, you know, any actions with respect to voting machines and whatnot, we certainly want to put them under intense scrutiny. But nonetheless, everyone needs to vote. And like I said, if you leave here with one thing, the goal is to register as many people as possible to vote. That is the goal, and we only have until Monday night.

That is the goal. One mission. Bam.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Hi, everyone. Thanks for being here. First, I want to thank you as somebody with a spinal cord injury. I’m being here because not many people are. I won’t take up the time, but 18,000 people a year are injured. So thank you.

ELON MUSK: Absolutely. And I’m hopeful that Neuralink can do a lot, actually, you know, initially providing the ability for anyone who’s lost a brain-body connection to be able to interface with their phone and computer faster than a human with working hands, which is, I think, really cool. But down the road, I think it will be possible to restore a whole-body functionality.

If you have a Neuralink in the motor cortex that then shunts past where the neurons are damaged in the spine, I’m confident that long-term you can actually restore people’s ability to walk and use their hands.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: I appreciate it. I would love to work with you on getting support around here.

ELON MUSK: Well, yeah, in fact, one of the things that, you know, and to be fair, the FDA has been, within the context of their current rules, has been actually quite supportive. They’ve given us sort of express lane, you know, because they’ve seen the quality of the work and the sophistication of the technology. They have given us sort of fast-track approval. But still, you know, our progress is limited by regulatory issues, and that’s the same thing that’s happening with SpaceX. It’s like SpaceX can build a giant rocket faster than the license can be processed by the government, which is insane.

So, you know, I should mention, like, one of the most fundamental things about me supporting, and maybe the biggest showstopper of all for me in terms of why I feel Donald Trump must win is that we have to have sensible regulations. We have so many regulations. Last time I checked, we have 428 agencies. So there’s more than an agency a year has been created since America was a country.

Like, we’ve got almost twice as many agencies as years that America has been a country, which means an agency has been created. You know, there’s, like, sometimes two new agencies per year created, which is just madness. So America is being smothered by overregulation. It’s like I call it slow strangulation by overregulation. That’s the, yeah.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Well, I would like to ask about natural gas and lithium. That’s kind of it. Pennsylvania is rich of natural resources and fracking gas and lithium, which could benefit not only our state but our entire country.

However, many residents, and I have to be honest, along 350 miles of Pennsylvania, had real challenges like eminent domain and the destruction of water sources, such as what happened with the Mariners Pipeline. How can we ensure that while utilizing these resources, we work closely with local governments and residents without the federal government overreaching and forcing land from homeowners? Effective communication with citizens and their involvement in these decisions is crucial. What role do you see for technology or private industry in making sure that this process is transparent and fair?

Because believe you me, lots of people were forced with eminent domain and aquifers poisoned all across Pennsylvania, including our veterans. And this has been a real problem since 2016. So we want to support our workers and use our gas. But we need to be careful of what we’re taking from people who’ve lived here, families for centuries.

ELON MUSK: Certainly. I mean, I believe in sensible regulation. But what I see happening is that there are all sorts of – there’s a mountain of rules that actually don’t benefit people, and then there’s missing rules that do benefit people. So it’s this bizarre Kafkaesque nightmare of regulations where ultimately the good of the people is not served.

And we get regulatory delays for things that are fake. Meanwhile, bad things are allowed to happen simply because someone pulled out the paper book and gamed the system. So that’s what I mean. When I say the Department of Government, I mean addressing any issue which is not in the interest of the people.

And we do need to, at times, fight against what large corporations are pushing for, because some of them are very short term, and some large corporations do bad things. Corporations are like people. Some people are good people. Some corporations are good. Some are sort of meddling. And sometimes some corporations are bad. And it’s just like people. That’s the way to think of corporations.

So we’ve got to stop the corporations that want to do bad things. Make sure they’re doing things that are in the interest of the people. And then corporations that want to do good things, they shouldn’t be slowed down by smothering regulation.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: [Questions Inaudible]

ELON MUSK: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, and I think these things should be done very much… So sunlight is the best disinfectant.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Hey, Elon. How are you? I’m Brad. These are two tough acts to follow here. But my question is a little more simple. What are some of the first courses of action you plan to take as a head of government efficiency if Trump gets elected? And do you have any areas of concern in particular?

ELON MUSK: Yeah, that’s a good question. You know, I definitely… The focus right now is making sure that Trump wins the election. Otherwise, it doesn’t matter. And I think if Trump loses, we’re going to see our cities are going to get less safe. The borders are obviously going to be wide open. We’re going to see government spending go ballistic. We’re going to see government spending go ballistic. It’s inflation going nuts. It’s going to be just bad on every level.

And fundamentally, if the current trend of strangulation by overregulation is not turned around, we’ll never get to Mars. It just will be illegal. And there won’t be a one-planet civilization. There won’t be a space-faring civilization.

And Starfleet will never be real. And we want Starfleet to be real. Yeah. So, you know, I’ve had quite a bit of interaction with the government. You know, because SpaceX is the biggest NASA contractor, actually. There’s a lot of work for NASA. And I’m a big fan of the agency, by the way. But, you know, there are expenditures that don’t make a lot of sense, that are wasteful.

And we need to put a stop to that. Honestly, there’s so much government waste that’s going on that I would call it a target-rich environment. Like, it’s hard in every direction. There’s just mad waste. And I think simply, if people simply know that, well, if they waste a ton of taxpayer money, they’re going to get fired, that will immediately improve the situation. Immediately. It’s like… Yeah, it’s just literally…

Actually, it’s going to be both carrot and stick. It’s like, if a government official is very effective in spending your money… Taxpayer money is your money. If they’re effective in spending your money, they should be promoted. They should be rewarded. And if they waste your money, or do something that’s basically corruption, they should be fired. Obviously. You know, they have a duty to spend your money well.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Hey, Elon. As a veteran who was deployed because of a lie that was told 21 years ago…

ELON MUSK: A lot of lies, man.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Yeah. So, with how your law is running on a campaign to make disinformation illegal…

ELON MUSK: Yeah. Disinformation just means information they don’t like.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: So, what would you say…

ELON MUSK: Yeah.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: What would you say to an administration and a candidacy that is spreading lies or disinformation about the troops that are currently in combat, my friends?

ELON MUSK: Yeah, can you believe that was said?

AUDIENCE MEMBER: And Hunter Biden’s laptop presence declined, and so on.

ELON MUSK: Yeah, I mean, during the Trump-Kamala debate, she said there was no active-duty soldiers out there. I’m like, I know a whole bunch of them. What are you talking about? That’s a shameful, terrible lie. And she wasn’t even fact-checked. And I’m like, are you kidding?

I mean, yeah, thank you. Thank you. Yeah, and I’d just like to say, for the Americans out there who are serving in dangerous places right now, unlike what Kamala said, thank you for your service to the country.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Elon, thank you for stepping up to help America when you don’t have to. Like, you could be on an island right now.

ELON MUSK: Yeah. Yeah, I could be… Yeah, I have a lot of jobs. I have a lot of jobs. So, no, it’s true. I mean, there are a lot of people I know who are on a yacht, swimming in Mai Tai or whatever, on an island. That is what they could be doing. I can’t do that if I think the future of civilization is at stake, which I do.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Thank you. One, do you know Alberto Cangahuala? He’s the system manager for Europa Clipper.

ELON MUSK: Oh, that’s a cool mission, by the way.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Which you sent into space on Monday.

ELON MUSK: Yeah, yeah. Thank you very much. Absolutely. In fact, that was a mission where I talked to SpaceX. It’s like, you know, every mission’s important, but this mission’s excellent. So, yeah, because…

I think like you, like I think most people, I want a future where you look forward to it and you’re excited about what’s going to happen, that we’re going to learn new things, that we’re going to… It’s going to be better than the past. And a future where we’re a spacefaring civilization, and we’re out there among the stars, where Star Trek is real. You know?

That’s exciting. Like, life can’t just be about solving one problem after another. There have to be things that inspire you. Yeah. That’s a hard one to build, but at some point we should build a warp drive. But, you know, but even without the warp drive, the Starship, the rocket made by SpaceX, is capable of building a city on Mars and a city on the Moon. That’s what it’s designed to do. But we’re being massively slowed down by regulatory molasses.

And I’ll tell you like a crazy thing, like we got fined $140,000 by the EPA for dumping fresh water on the ground. Drinking water. Drinking water. It’s crazy. I’ll just give you an example of just how crazy it is. And we’re like, well, we’re using water to cool the launch pad during launch. You know, we’re going to cool the launch pad so it doesn’t overheat. And in excess of caution, we actually brought in drinking water, so clean, super clean water.

And the FAA said, no, you have to pay a $140,000 fine. And we’re like, but Starbase is in a tropical thunderstorm area. Skywater falls all the time. That is the same thing. So, and it’s like, we didn’t actually, there’s no harm to anything. And they said, yeah, but we didn’t have a pump. We’re like, you need a pump for fresh water? Are you, what?

It’s just totally crazy stuff like that. And then they said, if we don’t pay the fine, they’re not going to process any of our future applications. So they’re like, this is the kind of crazy stuff we’re dealing with. Yeah.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Hi, Elon. My name is Sarah. I’m from Philadelphia. I have a whole team here. First of all, I am really excited about your recapping of this rocket and your Hyperloop program. We actually, at this critical moment, have a proposal to turn the blue states red quickly. I would like to sincerely like to accept our proposal.

And we want to have some further discussion with you. And really thank you for putting everything you have, risking everything you have to support President Trump to take our country back.

ELON MUSK: Well, thank you. Sure. Thanks. Hey. All right. All right. Sounds good. All right. So. Yeah.

Well, I’ll take a few more questions and then wrap it up. But yeah. So go ahead.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Elon, hi. My name is Kevin, and I grew up right in Springfield, close by. And I want to thank you for all you’ve given up. You were the media darling, and you’ve sacrificed everything for freedom right now. And I want to thank you for my family and everyone.

ELON MUSK: Yeah.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: I also want to thank you. I want to thank you for all the lives that have been saved with your full self-driving, and all the future lives will be saved with that. That is one of the greatest things you’ve put in.

ELON MUSK: Thank you.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: I use that every day.

ELON MUSK: You’re most welcome. You’ll save many lives and many serious injuries and also give people their time back so they can just be in their car and do whatever they want, watch movies or whatever they want to do. It’ll be great. Absolutely great.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: My question for you is, and this is a very confusing thing in Pennsylvania, do you think that we should, as a voter, vote in person, wait until voting day to vote in person, or do a mail-in ballot right now?

ELON MUSK: I think you should vote immediately right now.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Yes. Can you explain real quick why?

ELON MUSK: Asher, do you have a pen? I don’t know, does somebody have a pen or something?

Well, good luck. All right. Thank you. Is that your mom?

All right, nice to meet you. All right. Yeah, so, where were we? Oh, yes. Register and vote early. And, yeah, I would say vote immediately. Yeah, you’re welcome.

All right, well, I’ll take one more question and then we’ll pull a wrap.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Elon, this is Matt here. Elon, this is Matt from EastWest IT Services here. And I’m the chairman for the Pennsylvania Chinese Coalition. We have more than 40 Chinese groups and also different kinds of associations.

And I’m from Philadelphia. We are the team. And I want to know, could you give us, like, you know Pennsylvania’s swing state, especially Philadelphia, there’s a lot of Democrats. So could you give us, like, three top reasons why people should vote for Donald Trump?

ELON MUSK: Sure. Well, the reasons that resonate are going to be different depending on who you’re talking to. But I think the ones that resonate, for me at least, are, you know, we want safer cities. We want a secure border.

We want sensible government spending. We want support of the Constitution and the freedom of speech rights of our arms. And that’s what Donald Trump is going to do. And the other thing I think is maybe a concern is that I think if there’s four more years of sort of the Kamala puppet regime, they’re actually going to legalize so many illegals in the swing states that there won’t be swing states anymore.

And this will be the last election in that case. And we’ll be a permanent one-party state like California. And, you know, in California, which is mind-blowing, they passed a law banning voter ID for any election in California whatsoever. Now, they’re going to try to do that nationwide.

In fact, if they can, they will do it nationwide. If the Dems win, they’ll ban voter ID nationwide. So that’s why I think if Trump doesn’t win, this is the last election. Yeah.

Thank you. Thank you, everyone.

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