Joe Rogan Podcast: #2443 with Filippo Biondi (Transcript)

Because that pyramid, only one pyramid, because we were doing that kind of research. Then once we discovered things in 2020, we published the peer review paper and we gave public the results that we found inside the Khufu pyramid. We decided to expand our research in all the Giza Plateau.

JOE ROGAN: Can I stop you there? When you looked… So we know quite a bit about the Khufu pyramid and what the chambers are inside of it. Did this technology accurately describe the pyramid itself and the insides of it, the chambers that we know exist?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Absolutely, yes, because we have detected this multi-layer structure that is inside the Khufu pyramid. We have discovered it very well from the space and it is located inside the pyramid.

And also we discovered… we gave an image also of the other known structures like the Grand Gallery.

JOE ROGAN: The Grand Gallery.

FILIPPO BIONDI: The Grand Gallery. And then also the Queen’s Chamber and…

JOE ROGAN: The King’s chamber also and accurate in terms of size and dimension and also position and location. Okay, so when did you decide to focus below the pyramid?

Expanding the Research

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, we decided to focus below the pyramid because our intention was to expand our research. And then also thanks to the third component of the research group, which is Armando Mei, he suggested to us to expand our research and scan all the Giza Plateau.

JOE ROGAN: And so what date was it that you discovered these immense columns with the coils around it and all those structures that are underneath the pyramid?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, in the second part of our research, we started focusing our scans on the Khafre Pyramid like Khufu and then we adjusted our algorithms to go deeper. And so when we did this, very nice things began to appear on our results.

JOE ROGAN: What did you feel when you first saw those images that do appear to be immense columns? I believe the diameter is 20 meters.

FILIPPO BIONDI: 20 meters.

JOE ROGAN: So they’re huge, enormous columns.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes.

JOE ROGAN: What went through your mind?

Initial Skepticism and Verification

FILIPPO BIONDI: Skepticism. Skepticism. I told also Corrado was with me because we had those results on our desk without disclosure or anything for six months. Because my opinion was that it was not real. I was thinking that maybe it was noise or some artifacts due to our processing procedures.

JOE ROGAN: Did it give you pause at all that they were so uniform, that these columns were in very specific places and that they line… There was a uniform gap in between them.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes. And why we disclosed all this? Because we started to use also other satellites. And once… at the beginning we were using only the Italian satellite system. That is Cosmo-SkyMed and Cosmo-SkyMed second generation. It’s very good, very precise.

But we wanted to shift our research using also other satellites. Because, Joe, in research, when we have diversity, diversity is a good thing because it confirms other things that we were searching. We were searching for confirmation.

So once we had the same results while we were using American satellites called Capella Space and also other satellites, having always the same results, we decided to disclose.

JOE ROGAN: How many different scans have been done on this area?

FILIPPO BIONDI: More than 200.

JOE ROGAN: More than 200. And all with uniform results?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes. Yes.

Resistance from the Archaeological Community

JOE ROGAN: There’s a lot of resistance to this. And it’s from the usual characters. And it’s from people that I would characterize as gatekeepers of archaeological information.

And unfortunately, they are not willing to approach this with an open mind. And you see this skepticism that just seems to me to be confirmation bias. They want this to not be true, regardless of the sheer number of scans and the uniformity of the results of these scans.

And also the fact that this stuff has been proven to work on other things. Like, didn’t you guys use this exact technology to get the exact dimensions of a particle collider that you have?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, we have a particle collider where I was born in L’Aquila, which is located in the center of Italy. At the center of Italy, there is a huge mountain called Gran Sasso, the Gran Sasso d’Italia, which has a maximum altitude of about 3,000 meters, to be precise, 2,993 meters.

And so there is a tunnel, very, very long tunnel, about 11 to 12 kilometers. And in the core of this mountain, there is a particle collider. There is a laboratory, let’s say, like that.

JOE ROGAN: And this technology got the exact dimensions of this particle collider that’s deep in this mountain?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, at 1.4 kilometers with respect to the top.

JOE ROGAN: Wow. Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Okay, so we know it’s accurate. We know it works. What do you think it is? I mean, other than what I said, that it’s gatekeepers of archaeological information. It’s people that don’t want to admit that there’s perhaps quite a bit bigger mystery than just the pyramids themselves. What do you think it is that is causing this resistance?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Personally, we found a lot of resistance. Yes, it’s true. But personally, I don’t know why. I can say something regarding my personal opinion, Joe. It is something that maybe is too big, too huge to be disclosed like that today.

The Paradigm-Shattering Implications

JOE ROGAN: I don’t know why it’s confusing to people, because it’s essentially paradigm shattering, because the pyramids themselves are absolutely spectacular. The great pyramid is 2.3 million stones. The alignment is perfect true north, south, east, and west. It’s a really incredible accomplishment.

Whoever built it and when they built it, it’s just undeniably fascinating that this was done at the very least, 2500 BC, probably even older than that. We really don’t know.

But that alone is spectacular. But then when you add the findings that you have, it just makes everybody go, we don’t know anything. We really don’t. We know that these things exist, but their purpose has always been speculative. The speculation was that it is some sort of a tomb. But that doesn’t make any sense because there’s no hieroglyphs inside of it. It doesn’t seem like a tomb.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Doesn’t look like a tomb.

JOE ROGAN: And I’m sure you’re aware of Christopher Dunn’s work, which, you know, he’s an engineer and he said it appears that this thing is some sort of a mechanical thing and that it’s probably designed to generate some kind of power.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yeah. Yes. In this context, I have spoken a lot with Christopher Dunn and I like a lot his theory and it makes sense. And so these discoveries match a lot with his and also to other scientists that make the effective purpose of the pyramid not to be tombs.

Today, we are sure, we are sure of one thing, that the pyramids are not tombs.

JOE ROGAN: They’re not tombs. And what is truly spectacular is that if this data is accurate, those immense structures that have baffled mankind forever are just the tip of the iceberg. That’s just the top.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, that’s just the top. Yes.

The Magnitude of the Discovery

JOE ROGAN: And underneath it you have these immense structures that we have not yet fully explored, but you have data that shows that… Let’s look at the images, let’s pull up some of the images so people can see what we’re talking about.

Because once you see it, your mind just goes, okay, what are we even talking about? Like, what was this civilization? When did it exist? And what kind of technology would allow them to not just construct the pyramids, which is absolutely baffling, but if this structure that is underneath the pyramids is accurately described by your work, we’re looking at something that is going to have to change our entire perspective on the history of humanity.

Understanding the Vertical Structures

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, I agree with you, Joe, because what we found, it is something that has been confirmed by our measurements. And at the moment, I suppose that our measurements are the only data that we have because there aren’t other data.

So what we are observing, we are observing principally vertical structure. This vertical structure has a pattern, a regular pattern. And this regular pattern is constituted by a so-called spiral nature. I found this.

JOE ROGAN: Okay, so what are we looking at here? These are the right one.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes. Yeah, yes. That is the Khafre pyramid. And you see, Joe, at the top of the tomography, the tomography is on the X. So the horizontal dimension, we have the space. Okay? Space, just the range. And on the vertical we have the depth. Okay.

On the top we have the pyramid. You see, you see the pyramid on the top. And while you go down, you are observing the structures that are going down. And look, you have the spiral nature of the structures.

JOE ROGAN: Okay, this is not the clearest image that I’ve seen. So what are, let me see some other images because this is just one.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Right. I know that’s what this is from his presentation and I didn’t know where to get the best.

JOE ROGAN: Okay, back up one.

FILIPPO BIONDI: So go, go. Okay, again, we have a lot of images here that, that is recasting all the research that we have done together.

JOE ROGAN: So the images that are going around online that people have seen are these 3D replicate. Pull up some more of those.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Okay.

JOE ROGAN: Some of the images online are recreations of what is observed and what you believe this could look like underneath. Correct.

FILIPPO BIONDI: We have performed measurements and they are sound measurements that are, that has been picked up from the surface of the earth by satellites. So they are very precise and they are coherent. Coherent, it means that contains a lot of information.

So it is characterized to have high entropy. And so when we perform the so-called tomographic inversion, we can see what there is underneath.

JOE ROGAN: Okay, so this is a recreation of what you believe it looks like?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes.

JOE ROGAN: And how are you getting that? From the image that’s below that. Okay, so the image is just one aspect of the data, correct?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, the image, this image. Okay. Here we are observing inside the Khafre pyramid. And inside the Khafre Pyramid we are observing those structures there, those are inside the Khafre pyramid.

JOE ROGAN: And the image above that is an artist recreation of what you think it looks like. Now, how did you make that determination? That’s what it looks like.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Okay. The 3D model has been retrieved. Not observing just only one result, but observing a lot of results. So putting on a table all the results that we have, we were able to retrieve so to facilitate people to read our measurements. Okay.

So observing the results, we were able to determine the spirals and the structures that are located starting from the base of the Kafre Pyramid going down.

JOE ROGAN: I’ve seen other images of the scans that are more convincing than the one that’s below. So let’s see if we can find some of those. What else do you have here?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, these are all images that are related to the first.

JOE ROGAN: So this is just an article that’s in the news. Okay.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yeah. I mean, I even went here.

JOE ROGAN: What is, where’s a good place to get the best versions of these images? Like that right there. Okay.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Okay.

JOE ROGAN: What is this?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Okay, here we are watching a wide area of our tomography. Look. And we see the structures that are going down.

JOE ROGAN: Yes, this is much clearer.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes.

JOE ROGAN: Okay.

Discovering the Massive Underground Chambers

FILIPPO BIONDI: And below the, below the structure, at the end of the structures, there are huge chambers, but they are really huge, approximately, having a width and a length and the height of 80 meters.

JOE ROGAN: So 80 meter structures that are below all this?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes.

JOE ROGAN: So almost the size of a football field. Below all this. That is some sort of a chamber.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: And see if you can find some other images, Jamie. So the coils, how did you determine that there was coils? Is it just because of the gaps that you see in the imagery, whether they come in this uniform pattern?

FILIPPO BIONDI: I have two or three slides on my presentation where we find the coils.

JOE ROGAN: Okay, let’s see if we can find those slides.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Do you know which slide? Maybe if you go down, please. Yeah, wait, wait a minute. Okay, okay, here. Okay, here we can observe a regular pattern. So not, not coils. And we go, we go down, please. Okay, regular pattern.

And the coils are beginning to be seen there on the third image here. Regular pattern. Go down, please. And here, this is, in my personal opinion, the fourth image. From the left image to the right, the fifth image. One, two, three, four. The fourth image, I’m sorry, where you have a core at the center of the coil, at the center of the structure, and then we have something that spirals down.

JOE ROGAN: So has anybody speculated about what this could possibly be? Like, what these coils are?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, I spoke with two independent, with, let’s say, with some independent researchers, and especially with Christopher Dunn, and also I spoke also with Jeffrey that is considering also the Giza power plant, like chemical reactors or something like that.

So we have on one side scientists that say, okay, can be something related to electricity, or we have something related to chemicals or other things. In my personal opinion, me, I can’t see anything. I can say anything because I just measured what there is there.

So it is not my, how you say, my job to do this. My job is, okay, here we have the measurements and now we have to see what there is inside. In my personal opinion, this is the right time to say, okay, let’s go. Let’s go there and see what there is.

JOE ROGAN: Let’s start digging.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, pull up some more images, please. Jeremy.

The Shafts Between the Sphinx and Khafre Pyramid

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, this is very important. If you want, I can tell you about this. Okay. Because it is the very important research project that I am working now. And it is something that if could be possible, we can go there and without digging anything, we can go below. Why?

Because belonging between the Sphinx and the Khafre pyramid, there are some shafts and there are the photos of the shafts where we can go in situ and we can physically go there and watch those shafts. Currently, the shafts are blocked by debris and there is also rubbish inside.

So I performed a lot of scans at those shafts. And you see, Joe, the shafts go down, down, down, down, and they reach chambers that are below.

JOE ROGAN: And that is the Doppler tomography readings.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes.

JOE ROGAN: So these shafts go down. How far do they go down?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, they go down approximately six, 600 meters.

JOE ROGAN: 600 meters, wow.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes.

JOE ROGAN: So 600 meters down and then they reach a chamber.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes.

JOE ROGAN: What is the conventional explanation for these shafts? Is there one? Like, what do current archaeologists, what is academia? What do they think these things are? Leave that right there for a second.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes. This is the complete 3D model that me and Corrado did. And so to observe all the structures that we have find that we found evaluating the tomographies that we have done on the Giza Plateau.

JOE ROGAN: So it’s not just under the Great Pyramid, it’s under all three pyramids.

FILIPPO BIONDI: And also the Sphinx.

JOE ROGAN: And also the Sphinx, yes. And they all seem to go. Do they go down to a uniform depth?

FILIPPO BIONDI: We found at the moment the same depth, yes.

JOE ROGAN: And they all have chambers at the bottom?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, absolutely. Yes. And that’s, in my personal opinion, the next thing that we are dealing at the end of the structures of these tubes that are going down, there are huge chambers.

JOE ROGAN: How huge?

FILIPPO BIONDI: As I told you before, 80 meters, times 80 meters and times 80 meters of height.

JOE ROGAN: And that’s uniform underneath all the pyramids, the same dimensions?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes.

Rewriting History

JOE ROGAN: Wow. When you look at it like this, when you see your 3D recreation of the site, it’s stunning because it just makes you think, what is this? I mean, I can understand the skepticism and I can understand the resistance to this that modern academics have, because this throws a giant monkey wrench into everything.

This makes everything we know about that area thrown into question. Because if this is true, like I said, this rewrites history because you’re dealing with an advanced civilization that is demonstrably more advanced than us.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, because they were able to build very precise things, but not at the surface of the earth below.

JOE ROGAN: Well, they even built a lot of precise things that confuse us. Like one of the things that Christopher Dunn gave me is this. It’s the recreation of the vase of one of the many vases that they have that is accurate in its, the way it was made down to God. What was the number? A thousandth of a human hair. Something crazy like that.

Like much less than a human hair in the diameter, in the uniformity of it. And the fact that it was carved out as incredibly hard stone at a time where there was no metal alloys. They supposedly had copper tools. No one understands it, no one knows how they did it. And it has handles on it, so it couldn’t even been turned on a lathe.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes. And also, if we go inside the pyramids, inside and also outside the pyramids, we can observe that the measurements are very precise. The chambers are constituted by flat walls. We don’t have inscriptions. And the dimensions are all related to the constants, to the major constants of universe.

JOE ROGAN: Right. They’re all aligned to the constellations. There’s a lot of very strange calculations that they were able to make. Like pathways where the sun during the solar equinox passes right through. It’s a fascinating place.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes.

The Weight of the Secret

JOE ROGAN: When you started acquiring this data and you started accumulating it and then started going over it with experts, what did that feel like to you when you were realizing, oh, this is real?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes. It was something that was very, very nice for me because, because when we, the thing was, I was saying always to Corrado, “Shall we disclosure this or not? I think for now, not. For now, not.” But then the results were always the same. So we decided to disclose this.

JOE ROGAN: How long did you sit on it before you decided to disclose it?

FILIPPO BIONDI: One year. One year.

JOE ROGAN: So for that one year, how conflicted were you? You must have been walking around like, “I have the biggest secret on Earth.”

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes.

JOE ROGAN: How weird was that?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Only to pass on you.

JOE ROGAN: That’s crazy. That’s crazy. Two people having one of the biggest secrets on earth that’s backed by data. I mean, it’s not even like, you know, someone told you something. You have extraordinary data due to fascinating modern technology that indicates that there’s these paradigm shifting structures.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yeah. And I tell you, Joe, I would like to go there and see what there is in person.

JOE ROGAN: Yes.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Because it’s now time, I think.

JOE ROGAN: Is there resistance from Egypt and the people that are in control of that area or are they fascinated by it?

Resistance and Validation

FILIPPO BIONDI: I tell you, Joe, I didn’t find a lot of resistance. I found a lot of resistance in the Internet. Yes. A lot of debunking. A lot of people that know it’s not true. It’s not true.

A lot of people that were continuing to say, “No radar can penetrate the earth for one kilometer,” and they didn’t know, or they purposely not saying this, that we are not penetrating anything because we are just grabbing the entropy that is on the surface of the earth. And with that information, we are retrieving tomographies.

It’s something new that I invented, but it works because we have benchmarks that demonstrates the effectiveness of the method. And this is 100%.

JOE ROGAN: And there’s also been some criticism that the patents have expired. But that’s because you have new patents on better stuff.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes. Now, Joe, I am under NDA, so we just… I think I can say something about the second patent because just yesterday we filed the patent in USA.

JOE ROGAN: Nice.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes.

JOE ROGAN: Wow. Have any academics reached out to you in support that are interested in this and would like to explore this further?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, yes. I tell you this, there are companies related to mining and crude oil extraction and then also water. Joe, today we are living in particular time because water is very important. We are in a so-called water emergency in all the world.

So for me the first thing that we have to do is to scan the earth and to fetch, to find, to try and find other, let’s say opportunity to extract not salty water, because it’s very important.

JOE ROGAN: So you’ll be using this technology for that as well?

FILIPPO BIONDI: For now, not. But I’m thinking to do it.

JOE ROGAN: Well, it makes sense. I mean, if it can detect this, should be able to detect that as well. And that will be, if… and it’s… and also if it’s accurate, that will also help garner support for this exploration of whatever is under there.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yeah. And so we are receiving a lot of calls from companies that want to work with me. And so let’s see what we can do.

JOE ROGAN: And so this is all companies that have reached out after you release the results underneath the pyramids.

FILIPPO BIONDI: The most of are calling me recently.

JOE ROGAN: Right. So they’ve heard about me recently.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes.

JOE ROGAN: Well, that’s capitalism, right. They say, “Oh, we can make money off of this.” Yeah, that’s good. That gets people interested, it gets people involved in this.

The Malta Foundation and Future Plans

FILIPPO BIONDI: And so we have also a philanthropic project. We are opening a foundation in Malta. We are realizing it in two weeks and we will have a foundation in Malta. And with that foundation we can operate also philanthropically for the Giza Plateau and other ancient megalithics that are located in all the world. We have a plan to scan everything.

JOE ROGAN: Really, what is next?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Maybe we can see Puma Punku or other sites.

JOE ROGAN: Gobekli Tepe.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Gobekli Tepe, yes. Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Have you looked at the labyrinths underneath? The ones that were described by Herodotus that Ben van Kerkwyk has been talking about and his UnchartedX channel where there is a huge atrium with a 40-meter metallic object that the shape of a Tic Tac?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, they asked me to do it and we will do it.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, you have to do that.

FILIPPO BIONDI: I tell you, Joe, the processing is very nice, but requests a lot of calculations. So it is time consuming at the moment. At the moment we have some computers that are dedicated on Giza and other project that we are doing.

And in the future, maybe we will have other machines that can work to do other things, but we will do it. We need time, but we will do it.

Confidence in the Data

JOE ROGAN: Now, are you absolutely convinced that this data is accurate or have any of the criticisms of any of the people that are trying to debunk it… has any of that resonated with you and rang true? Is there any validity to any of the criticisms?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Radar is only precise. The nice thing that has a radar is the precision, and especially from space, because space, it is a very silent environment. You don’t have noise, something. The platform is very stable. So when you transmit electromagnetic waves, they return back with absolutely precision, with absolute precision.

JOE ROGAN: And it’s recreated over and over again in these 200 plus scans that you’ve done with various different satellites. Correct. Not just one, so that one could have errors. So you’re convinced?

FILIPPO BIONDI: I’m convinced 100%, because… wow, I did the… I invented the method. Yes, I know, but I tell you that I am happy if somebody can replicate things. So if other research groups can replicate the things that I’m showing, I am happy.

JOE ROGAN: Well, you got there first.

FILIPPO BIONDI: So no matter what.

JOE ROGAN: I mean, if this is correct, you will go down in history as one of the most important figures in archaeology. Because if you are…

FILIPPO BIONDI: Thank you, Joe.

JOE ROGAN: You’re welcome. But it’s just fact. If what you’re saying is true, we’re just recently discovering this in the 21st century. I mean, that’s absolutely mind bending.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Thank you for this. Yes, I am happy for being in this. But not only me, other people helping me to do my work.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, sure, of course, a lot of people.

FILIPPO BIONDI: And in principle, my family.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. These structures and this whole area, if this turns out to be something that you don’t find just at the Giza Plateau, but around other parts of Egypt… I mean, there’s always been a lot of speculation as to whether or not a civilization existed in sub-Saharan Africa, advanced civilization that in the area is not now sand, you could probably do that same sort of research there as well.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, I agree with this. And we will do it. Yes.

JOE ROGAN: Wow. What is life like for you now, having this exposed and now, you know, having this on the Internet and all the speculation and all this excitement. What has that been like for you?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, I am not very used on all this exposure on the Internet. It is something that I have to get used of this. Yes. My life is simple, Joe. I live in Italy. But now I repeat this. It is time to go ahead and go on the Giza plateau and in person I wish to see the effective structure, how they are and the purpose of all the plateau, what it is.

Plans for Excavation

JOE ROGAN: And is there plans to do that in person to do some sort of an excavation?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, I wrote a project proposal which is the research and also not research, a proposal. And is now… our intention is to submit this proposal at the Egyptian authorities. If you want, I can explain you this proposal.

JOE ROGAN: Please.

FILIPPO BIONDI: We are involving University of Ferrara principal scientist Professor Savacaro, Italian professor, she’s a geologist. And other governmental… Italian governmental institutions that are very clever to do scans, in situ scans. So we are not using my technique. We use the state of the art technique that it is recognized by science today.

And our intention is to concentrate the efforts on those shafts that I showed you that we have seen, because we are not 99% convinced that… sure… that those are natural entrance into the structures that are located below. Because we have the vertical structures. And you saw on the tomographies, you have also horizontal connections.

JOE ROGAN: So there’s corridors.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, you have.

JOE ROGAN: And how large are these corridors?

FILIPPO BIONDI: About… they are tall, about three meters tall.

JOE ROGAN: Okay, so about nine feet tall.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, yes. That will… using these corridors, you will arrive directly inside the coils that we are visualizing, that we visualize before.

JOE ROGAN: So there’s passages and shafts and these enormous ways that they can go back and forth in between these various structures.

FILIPPO BIONDI: The thing that we have to do now is to clean those shafts. We have to do cleaning because now they are sand, debris. Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: And is there a timeline on when you would want to start cleaning these shafts and start doing this kind of stuff?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, it depends when we submitted the project. The project is ready. I know people that are living in Egypt that when we are ready, we can submit the project proposal. Then we are at when the government, if approved the project, we can start now.

Funding the Project

JOE ROGAN: I would imagine that something like this, something at this scale would require enormous funding. And how do you… how do you hope to acquire that?

FILIPPO BIONDI: We can say, people, that this work is not for me, but it’s for humans. And so people, we ask people to help us in getting money to perform the work. We have to ask people.

JOE ROGAN: Have you reached out to any like Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, type people that have tons of money that might be interested in doing something like this?

FILIPPO BIONDI: I don’t know them, Joe.

JOE ROGAN: You don’t know them?

FILIPPO BIONDI: No. But maybe it’s a big ask.

JOE ROGAN: Yes, that’s a big ask. You know, asking a few billion dollars to go dig around under the pyramids. I mean, how much money do you think it cost to do this?

FILIPPO BIONDI: We have to do… we did an estimation of… an estimation about, I don’t know, for maybe, maybe belonging for 20 million or more.

JOE ROGAN: $20 million. And this is just to clean the…

FILIPPO BIONDI: Shaft and go underneath and because why so much money? Because we are, our intention is to work safety. I don’t want that people has to go down the shaft and work. We will… we want to use drones, robots to make something automatically and so go down by using machines, not humans.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, that makes sense.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yeah, yeah.

JOE ROGAN: And that way you can get accurate real time video and…

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, yes, with cameras and it will be something. I am thinking about this the most maybe is one of the most ancient megalithic structure that we are dealing now can be recovered by the most modern technology that we have now, today. And so we can recover modern and ancient together.

Reception and Next Steps

JOE ROGAN: So you’ve been giving this presentation now and you’ve been going around, what has that been like? What is the reception of it been like?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, a moderate positive reception.

JOE ROGAN: Moderate positive. So people that are like, “If this is true, it’s amazing. But you have to show me more.”

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes. I tell you in this project proposal, I am out.

JOE ROGAN: You’re out?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes. It is better than that University of Ferrara, that is one of the most important universities in Italy can stay there and manage all the work is better.

JOE ROGAN: Right.

FILIPPO BIONDI: And I’m out. Right.

JOE ROGAN: You show them what’s there. You show them the technology now. Good luck.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Thank you. Thank you.

JOE ROGAN: Thank you and good luck. So tell me about this presentation. So how do you set this up? I know you brought some of the slides of this presentation. Tell me how you set this up, how you… how you set it up? So how you explain it to these… when you have these semi-skeptical scientists that are sitting down there and you’re going to tell them “I’m about to rewrite human history.” How do you set this up?

FILIPPO BIONDI: They were listening me very well and they asking me things about how they… everyone… the first thing that they ask me is how it works. And that’s good. And so I slowly explain them how it works and how I arrived to make this presentation so to have our results and so on. And someone of them is skeptical. Someone a bit less skeptical, which is what you want.

JOE ROGAN: Yes, yes. You want healthy debate about this kind of stuff.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Healthy debate, yes.

JOE ROGAN: It’s the only way you find out what the truth is.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes. Only having a healthy debate, we can find what is the truth. I don’t want to polarize people following me. It’s not my job.

JOE ROGAN: Well, not only that, you’re just discovering something. This is something that’s there. And for people to just put on a skeptical lens and just not look at it at all is crazy.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes.

JOE ROGAN: Like, if you’re skeptical, we should probably explore it. And if you’re wrong, okay, now we know it’s not true. But if it is true, it’s a crime to not investigate.

FILIPPO BIONDI: It’s a crime to not investigate. Yes. And I tell you the solution. We don’t have to dig holes, ruin what is now preserved. No, we have to only clean enough. We have to only clean and we have to use what there is made. It’s for us.

Because those shafts, they are for us. They are calling us. Our rights are to clean them and see what there is and go down and explore them. That’s what I mean.

JOE ROGAN: Well, it just seems like if these shafts exist alone and they are at that depth that you describe, and they are the dimensions you described, it really does lend credence to what you’re saying.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Because it seems like there’s a purpose for those things. And if they do go down to the area where all these structures are, seems like there’s something there.

FILIPPO BIONDI: In my personal opinion, they were built purposely. And if you see the—

JOE ROGAN: They’re access points, probably.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, they are access points. They were made probably to—you know, Joe, when you go deep below the earth, the temperature rises a lot. So there is a certain ratio of where the temperature rises proportional to the depth that you are going. So the shafts are made purposely to take—the function is to transport air, light, and so cool what there is inside.

JOE ROGAN: Well, that makes sense.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: And also access. Show me some other slides and other things that are in your presentation so you can get a more comprehensive understanding of what we’re looking at.

The Z Structure and Mario Pincherle’s Research

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, this is the Z. This is—ah, Mario Pincherle. Mario Pincherle was a researcher that—he died in 2011, 2012, and he was studying the Z, which is the multilayer monument. Let’s call it monument, but it’s not a monument because it has a certain and very precise function that is inside the pyramid. This is the—

JOE ROGAN: And this is the outlined image in the lower left hand corner.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yeah, that’s the tomography that we have retrieved. Look, it’s very precise, right?

JOE ROGAN: It looks exactly like what it looks like in the actual image. What is that thing? What do you think the function of that thing is?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, the function is—is this. It is—you see, on the top of the structure there is something like a cap. Yes, like a cap. That cap has a precise function to attract the vibration. Okay. It’s an antenna in the vibration domain.

JOE ROGAN: Antenna in the vibration domain.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes.

JOE ROGAN: Okay.

Vibrational Filtering and the Low Pass Filter Theory

FILIPPO BIONDI: Attract the energy in terms of mechanical vibration and propagates them below. There are other slides, please. Okay, here I did a simulation. Now, I’m sorry because I don’t have the video because this is a PDF, but I reproduced the function of the Z on the computer. Okay. And look on the right side we have all the vibrations that interact one to each other, to each layer. Look.

And you can see that each layer—look how strange it is—each layer, on the top of each layer it is scattered. Look on the top of each layer. And the bottom is very flat. It’s flat. So what is that? It is something related to filter. It is a low pass filter made by stones. Very crazy. That’s a low pass filter.

JOE ROGAN: A low pass filter. What exactly is a low pass filter?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, a low pass filter is a filter that allows the transmission only of certain frequencies and reject other frequencies. So it is a stabilizer. Frequency stabilizer and low pass or a certain low value frequency. Right.

JOE ROGAN: And so this aligns with Christopher Dunn’s theory that there was something underneath the pyramid, that there was a chamber that they were using to generate vibration and that that vibration would go through the entire structure.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes. And look, Joe, the last layer—look—transmits directly inside the so-called sarcophagus. That’s not a sarcophagus there.

The Granite Box and Its Purpose

JOE ROGAN: And so what do you think? That’s what they call a sarcophagus, this immense granite box.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, let’s call it—yes, the granite box. Yes. And inside the granite box was done to contain a man, a body. And that vibration, look, collapses at the center of the granite box where the man was lying down.

JOE ROGAN: So do you think there was actually a man inside that? So a person would lay in that box?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes.

JOE ROGAN: And what would happen to them?

FILIPPO BIONDI: I don’t know.

JOE ROGAN: Whoa. So I don’t know.

FILIPPO BIONDI: That’s a simulation that I did about this precise—

JOE ROGAN: So you don’t think it’s for a dead body? You think it’s for a live body?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes.

JOE ROGAN: And so a person would lay there and have some probably incredibly profound experience with whatever.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Probably, yes.

JOE ROGAN: What do you think it was? If you just wanted to get crazy and put on the tinfoil hat and speculate, what do you think it was? I mean, what would happen to a person if they encountered this kind of vibration, these kind of frequencies in this resonating granite box?

FILIPPO BIONDI: I can say something that is not scientific recognizable.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, that’s what I want. Keep it up there, Jim.

JOE ROGAN: What do you think?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Maybe that person was ready to have an out of the body experience induced, like a gateway.

JOE ROGAN: A gateway to the spirit world.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Look on the top you have the antenna. The antenna is receptive. All the vibrations that transmit all the signal below, directly inside the granite box. It’s very exciting.

JOE ROGAN: And what do you think was generating these vibrations?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Ah, yes, the natural—the wind, the natural vibration of the earth and also some, let’s say flowing depth, the flowing of water. Also the flowing of water being generated.

JOE ROGAN: By this flowing of water. There was also shafts that were—this is part of Christopher Dunn’s theory. These shafts that reach the outside of space that he thinks were attracting space radiation.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Can be.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, that’s another possibility.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, another possibility.

JOE ROGAN: He also had a theory that perhaps the lower chamber that’s below the pyramid itself, that there was some mechanical device inside of there that was generating vibration.

FILIPPO BIONDI: For this can be. Yes, can be.

Psychedelic Disney World Theory

JOE ROGAN: Through the entire structure and this is creating this vibration. That’s the antenna. You’ve got this filter through it and then someone is laying in the sarcophagus tripping balls.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes.

JOE ROGAN: Whoa. That’s crazy. That’s crazy. Do you imagine if this entire structure was just built so that someone could have some sort of a bizarre out of body experience or psychedelic gateway experience?

FILIPPO BIONDI: I think that’s true. I think it’s psychedelic Disney World. I do.

JOE ROGAN: I seriously do you—

FILIPPO BIONDI: I had that epiphany like two months ago.

JOE ROGAN: Really?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Okay, I don’t want to explain it.

JOE ROGAN: But yeah, please do.

FILIPPO BIONDI: I was looking at a picture of me when I was a kid at like a Cedar Point, which is like roller coaster place. I was just thinking of how much effort we put in to making kids or young adults have a wild experience.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, that is only in reference. You only understand it if you live there. If you found Disney World now in a thousand years, you’d be like, what the f*?

FILIPPO BIONDI: They worship mice.

JOE ROGAN: The f* are you talking about? This is insane. Look at all the pictures of mice everywhere.

FILIPPO BIONDI: That’s so true. But you’d see that giant castle and there’s rides everywhere. And you would have no idea what the experience of that ride would have been like.

JOE ROGAN: Or the teacups. Right.

FILIPPO BIONDI: It’s nonsense. It’s fun for kids, but also would make them feel amazing.

JOE ROGAN: But also adding what this vibration stuff does, and sound and music and all these other things, you could put them all together and you could feel like a God.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: If lightning hit the thing, you’d be like, what the—I don’t know. I just had that wild idea one day.

FILIPPO BIONDI: It’s an interesting idea because you think people have always been fascinated by achieving novel experiences. And what more novel experience than a 2.3 million stone structure that’s perfectly aligned to true north, south, east and west, aligns to the stars of Orion’s belt? You lie inside a stone box and the vibrations hit you and you’re in that box.

JOE ROGAN: Not only you go out of the body, who knows what it does to the body and the mind? Because we know that the mind is capable of producing endogenous psychedelic chemicals. We also know that people have a very profound reaction to frequencies. That’s why sound hits us so hard. And we love music and just vibration itself. And this sound weapon that they just recently used in Venezuela, supposedly to knock out all Maduro’s troops, what could this thing have been?

The Pyramids as the Tip of the Iceberg

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, I am relatively sure that the principal actor of everything can be water, vibrations, so sound. But we are dealing now to the third thing. So the purpose, the exact purpose of this—maybe it can be also one more than one purposes, not more than one scope of the pyramids.

The pyramids intended to be—now I am 100% convinced that the pyramids can be considered the tip of the iceberg of something, of something very huge that is composed by things that are below the Earth and the pyramids that are up at the surface of the Earth.

JOE ROGAN: So what do you think the reason for the design of the pyramid in that specific geometric shape?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, probably because they have to resonate with the universe. In some—they have to resonate with the universe. You know, the universe, it is not complicated. It’s simple. Because the universe is constituted by things. The matter, the particles, the light. Yes, but everything is regulated by some constants. There are the constants.

So the velocity, the speed of the light, C, 3 times 10 to the 8 kilometers per second. Then you have the velocity of the light. So you have the electric constants, the magnetic constants that are—that arrange very well the law of the universe. So it is important that something that has to be well related to the place that we live, to the universe, has to contain very precisely the dimensions of recasting the constants of the universe.

JOE ROGAN: And that’s what you think the pyramids did personally?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, personally, yes.

The Age of the Pyramids and Zep Tepi

JOE ROGAN: How old do you think they are?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, yes. On the—sorry, the Italian starts. I start speaking Italian. The thing that we can say for certainly is that the pyramids are older than the dates that are written on the typical history books. So to see something that, to say something very precisely, we have to go back in time into the Zep Tepi.

So more than 36,000 years ago, something happened to the Earth. So the Zep Tepi began. And in a time belonging the Zep Tepi and the Great Flood were built the pyramids.

JOE ROGAN: So, like what? I’m sending you something, Jamie, that’s very interesting.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes.

JOE ROGAN: So do you have an idea? Do you have an estimation? Like, what is your personal belief?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes. We can’t say exactly the year.

JOE ROGAN: So Zep Tepi, let’s explain to people what that is, since we’re—I sometimes forget. Zep Tepi is the thing that I described to Zahi Hawass and he dismissed it. “What is this? I’ve never heard of this.” It’s an ancient kings list, and it’s a list of pharaohs that goes back past 30,000 years.

And it’s very inconvenient for modern academics. And so they like to portray it as myth. And then when it gets to the age of historically accurate pharaohs that we know of, Khufu and Khafre, then they allow those hieroglyphs. But when you get all the way back to the 30,000 years ago, they like to say that that’s just mythology.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, it’s true, but it is a matter of fact, the Zep Tepi, we have also other ancient megalithics that are very old, recognized very old. So we have to deal with that.

JOE ROGAN: Well, Gobekli Tepe was.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Gobekli Tepe is a big problem.

JOE ROGAN: Also more than 11,000 years old, for sure.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yeah. And as we saw.

The Inventory Stele and Ancient Restoration

JOE ROGAN: Here it is. This is something that I actually just talked to Graham Hancock about. This is Stele, a limestone inscription discovered in 1858 near the Great Pyramid complex at Giza. And the text describes a pharaoh, Khufu, who ruled from 2589 to 2566 B.C., visiting the site and ordering restorations to existing structures, including a temple associated with the goddess Isis.

The stele refers to Isis as “the mistress of the pyramid,” a title that has raised questions about whether parts of the Giza plateau were already considered sacred before Khufu’s reign. And although most Egyptologists date the stele itself to the 26th Dynasty, more than 2,000 years after Khufu, its wording continues to draw attention because it portrays the pharaoh as a restorer rather than the original builder.

Whether inscription provides older tradition or reflects later religious interpretation remains debated. But if this is accurate, this describes Khufu as restoring the pyramids. Now, this exists throughout history, the temple of Tenochtitlan, where the Aztecs had, when they described it, they described it as the place where the gods were born. And they found it like people think the Aztecs made the pyramids. They did not.

There was some sort of a previous civilization that lived in Mexico prior to the people that called themselves the Aztecs or what we called the Aztecs. So there’s a long standing history of people repurposing existing structures and claiming them as their own. And if this stele is accurate, and this was also in Fingerprints of the Gods, Graham Hancock’s book.

So I sent this to Graham and his reaction was pretty interesting. What he said to me was that there’s a strong suggestion that the Khufu pyramid might have been one of the three subsidiary structures alongside the Great Pyramid’s eastern flank. And all that look like damaging evidence against the orthodox chronology of ancient Egypt.

It also challenged the consensus view that the Giza pyramids had been built as tombs and only as tombs. However, rather than investigating the statements from the stele, the age of Chaldefs, they chose to devalue them. In his quotes, they chose to say, “Ah, that’s just inconvenient.”

But if they are describing it that way, that seems like this is a long standing tradition of people finding things that exist. There’s clearly ancient Egypt itself. Dynastic Egypt is a very complex society, very complex and very advanced society, even if they didn’t build that stuff. But it seems like they’re saying the restorer.

Salt Deposits and the Great Flood Theory

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, yes, I agree with you, Joe. I tell you there are some facts that we have to observe because I am used to observe before I say something I have to observe. So I am not, I say, an expert of pyramids because I am an engineer, I work on satellites, I am a space engineer. I’m not an Egyptologist like that. But I can observe inside the pyramids.

They found a lot of salt that were attached on the wall. So they find salt. Why there was salt there? First, second, the shafts that we are dealing now, if we want to clean the shafts, why there is debris, why they are tapped. So if the Great Flood is an historical parameter recognized. So let’s say 11,000, 12,000 years ago, let’s say something like that. I don’t remember precisely.

The Zep Tepi, which is not recognized, is 36,000 in the past. So between the Zep Tepi and the Great Flood, we can locate the pyramids and the Sphinx.

JOE ROGAN: Wow. So the Great Flood, we’re looking at 11,000 plus years ago. Zep Tepe, you’re looking at 30,000 plus years ago.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes. We can say, I’m an engineer, I put myself in the center between 36,000 and 11,000.

JOE ROGAN: See if you can find some images of salt in the Great Pyramids because it is quite fascinating. And if there was some sort of a massive rise of sea and massive flooding, which is depicted in every single ancient religion from Epic of Gilgamesh to the Hopi, talk about it. I mean, it’s like almost all cultures have a story. Obviously Noah and the ark and the flood in the Bible. But this salt.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Joe, two months ago I went for the first time to visit the pyramids and I found salt on the wall. There is still salt.

JOE ROGAN: And you think that salt is probably.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Because I taste it. It’s salt water of the sea. Wow. Yes. I forgot to bring it to you.

JOE ROGAN: Not just that, but there’s so much salt that there’s still salt there 11,000 years later, which is really extraordinary. And so you think that that salt is because the entire area was flooded.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes.

JOE ROGAN: And that’s the reason why the shafts were flooded and filled with debris, topped off.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes.

JOE ROGAN: Right. Topped off with debris. Because everything just flooded into there. And then when the sea receded so many years later, you’re left with salt everywhere.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yeah. And that’s why the reason that I don’t want that people go to work inside the shaft because are dangerous, can collapse. The debris can collapse because you can have bubble of air. And so it’s dangerous.

JOE ROGAN: Right, right.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Robots has to go, right.

JOE ROGAN: Well, it makes more sense. Robots safer. And it’s also.

FILIPPO BIONDI: So everything is connected. The Great Flood, the Zep Tepi and the pyramids.

JOE ROGAN: Wow.

FILIPPO BIONDI: And I’m convinced with that. Yeah. I am convinced that maybe 18. I go in the center. 18,000 or something like that. Between 18,000 and 20,000.

Rewriting Ancient History

JOE ROGAN: Well, what’s crazy is, I mean, that pushes back that ancient civilization by 14,000 years.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Which is at least 14,000 years. I mean, John Anthony West thought maybe 30,000 plus years to the construction of the Sphinx. That’s what he thought. And when Robert Schoch from Boston University, the geologist that started doing work on the pyramid and then, excuse me, the temple of the Sphinx. Yeah. And the water erosion. He’s like, this is.

FILIPPO BIONDI: It’s vertical.

JOE ROGAN: Yes. It’s vertical fissures that come from thousands of years of rainfall. And the last time there was like significant rainfall in the Nile Valley, like that was 9,000 years ago. So you’re dealing with thousands of years before that of rain to achieve that kind of erosion.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, it is necessary now. That’s why this research and this activity that hope we will do it is very important.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Because this, it is able to rewrite everything.

JOE ROGAN: I mean, really rewrite everything. Imagine if you could get something from down in those shafts, in those corridors, something that you could date.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: And you get a date back of 26,000 BC, you go, what? I mean, this is. It’s not outside of the realm of possibility. That’s what’s so crazy about this. It just really does seem like we are getting more and more evidence that things are far older than conventional wisdom, the conventional narrative that’s taught in schools.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, I agree, I agree. Because as I told you before, this is time. This is the time to see effective, which is the exact date of construction, who made them and how they made them.

JOE ROGAN: How could we figure out how they made it? That’s the crazy thing, right. Because we don’t even understand the technology they used to cut them. We don’t know what they had. And that’s the other thing. If you’re dealing with something that’s 20,000 plus years old, 15,000 years old, what’s going to be left? All the metal’s gone, everything is eroded. The earth is reclaimed. Most things really, the thing that you have left is stone, which is pretty crazy.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yeah. And if we see the rooms, all the structures that are currently inside, let’s say the Khufu pyramid, which I like it a lot. The Grand Gallery is very nice, fascinating. They have a precision, incredible precision. All those big, huge stones that is composing. The Grand Gallery is very exciting. I like it a lot.

Personal Fascination with the Pyramids

JOE ROGAN: Did you have any sort of fascination about the pyramids before this or.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Joe. I remember when I was young, very young, I used to. I had it, how you say, I had a personal computer, very old one. And I was always playing, always on something that. And that was the pyramids. They were all the pyramids. And in that meantime, I realized that I liked the pyramids. And so I was very young.

JOE ROGAN: So the personal beauty, just researching the pyramids, is that what it was?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, just looking at pictures and images on the pyramids.

JOE ROGAN: So you always were fascinated by it. But did you have an understanding or even any questions about the timeline of civilization before this?

FILIPPO BIONDI: No, never.

JOE ROGAN: So it only happened within the last few years?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, I began working, so being interested on pyramids starting from 2018.

JOE ROGAN: So it’s right after you started doing this research and you started saying, okay, what is this?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yeah. And so when you start to research on something that is our history, our past, our origins, because we, our origins are there. So we have to fetch, we have to find what there is there because it is important that we, it is important to research our origin because in this meantime, humanity does not know.

We don’t know who we are, we don’t know our origins, we don’t know anything of who we are. And most of the answers can be found in studying the pyramids.

JOE ROGAN: Well, it certainly seems to be the greatest accomplishment that ancient humans had ever created.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes.

JOE ROGAN: And if these humans were far more ancient than we currently believe, that is really, really interesting.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yeah. And it is for me very. It is something that I have it always in my mind only to know how they did, how they cut the stones, how they transported the stones, and how, I don’t know how, how, how everything. It’s all how. Yes.

JOE ROGAN: Like what gave them the idea like, were there any previous pyramids? Because it’s weird because the older you go, the more complex the structures are and the newer ones are kind of sh*tty.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yeah.

Exploring the Underground Structures

JOE ROGAN: So, okay, so we went from that, we showed this antenna and it goes into the supposed sarcophagus and these vibrations. What other things do you show in your presentation that are interesting?

FILIPPO BIONDI: I show principally all the structures that are under the Khafre pyramid and also under each pyramid. And also I described the method on how going below without drilling anything. And so I showed them, I showed them that there are the entrances are there on our eyes, everyone can see those shafts. And so why we are not exploring them, why they are so dirty, why they are so without any kind of work of renewal methods. I don’t know why.

JOE ROGAN: Well, it seems like there’s limited resources, first of all. And also it seems like Egypt entire economy is based on tourism. An immense amount of tourism. Because it’s so fantastic, people from all over the world make a pilgrimage.

FILIPPO BIONDI: I also find a method to combine so not stopping the tourism. So it is possible to combine the work and also the tourism. So we can delimitate the area inside the area we work and outside the area safety. All the people can visit the Giza Plateau.

JOE ROGAN: Not only that, I think it will enhance tourism because if this speculation proves to be fruitful and you start looking under there and you find there is evidence to all this, it’s just going to make more people want to go.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Oh yes, I agree with you. But you imagine, Joe, we will find the structures that are underneath and maybe we can try to build a huge lift that carry people downstairs in safety always, or maybe not below for a lot, but at a certain, at a certain depth.

So they can also travel along the horizontal corridors that are present. And so they go up from the shafts and they go up to the Khafre pyramid and they go away from the entrance here and they go intercepting the pyramids.

JOE ROGAN: That would be amazing.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, yeah.

JOE ROGAN: I mean it would just be much more tourism.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, yeah.

JOE ROGAN: And also the all eyes would be on Egypt. I mean it would probably be a huge boost to their economy. It would probably be a huge boost to archaeology because more young people would get fascinated by it and want to study it.

The Depths Below

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yeah. And imagine, imagine also this. What can we find below down there? What can we find? This is a question that I am asking because if we watch the slide concerning the shaft that I want to clean, there are things inside. I am showing that there are things located inside the chamber. Look, there is something. What is that?

JOE ROGAN: What are you seeing when we’re talking about the shaft where it goes all the way down to the bottom and there’s the chamber? Is that what you mean, that one? Yes, right there. So that structure that is at the bottom, what’s that?

FILIPPO BIONDI: I don’t know, what’s that?

JOE ROGAN: Right.

FILIPPO BIONDI: It’s very huge, very huge.

JOE ROGAN: And it’s at the bottom of the shaft. Look, the horizontal corridors.

FILIPPO BIONDI: And so there’s more horizontal corridors during the, when you traverse down into the shaft, then you intercept other corridors. And how large are those corridors?

JOE ROGAN: About 3 meters tall.

FILIPPO BIONDI: So there’s 3 meter tall shafts that go to the side, these corridors that go to the side along the way and then also down at the very bottom.

JOE ROGAN: Yes.

FILIPPO BIONDI: And you’re convinced of this?

JOE ROGAN: This is accurate data. Right.

FILIPPO BIONDI: And no one’s ever sent a camera down there.

JOE ROGAN: Those are human man made structure, like a ring on another ring. Look, it is, it is very clear. Right. If you observe the structure, those are man made.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Right.

JOE ROGAN: And they go deep, very deep. And you can see the rubbish that is on the bottom, all the debris.

FILIPPO BIONDI: And that debris you think was a lot of it because of the flood.

JOE ROGAN: I am hundred percent sure of this. Yeah. So the pyramids or the Giza Plateau, it seems to stop the functionality, the working. We don’t know which kind of work were used to do, but stopped because of the Great Flood. So we can go back in time 12,000 years ago.

The Younger Dryas Impact Theory

FILIPPO BIONDI: And when people, the people that don’t know if you’re hearing this like what Great Flood? That’s just not, that’s just myth. There’s a thing called the Younger Dryas impact theory. And the Younger Dryas impact theory group that’s been studying this, they now know that there was impacts to the Earth that are allowed around the 11,800 year mark and then I believe again in the 10,000 year range.

Randall Carlson is probably the best guy to talk to about that. But that they find high levels of iridium, which is very common in space and very rare on Earth. But there’s a layer of it. They also find these nanodiamonds that they also discovered during the first Trinity explosion when they detonated the atomic bomb.

They find these microscopic glass particles that are created by the intense explosion interacting with the sand. So what is it called? Trinitite. Is that what it’s called? What are those? Nuclear glass? What is that called? Tritonite. Is that what it’s called?

JOE ROGAN: Something related to vitrification?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes. So this exists all over the world. And it exists all over the world when they do a core sample at the same depth. And so this is a very strong scientific indicator of evidence that we’ve been hitting.

JOE ROGAN: But another scientific indicator is the debris. Why there is that debris there?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Right. Why so much?

JOE ROGAN: So much.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Right. Why so much?

JOE ROGAN: If we do carotage drilling of that debris inside the shaft, I don’t know how deep we can go. So why there is all that debris there? We don’t know.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Right. Which makes sense. If there is a Great flood that fills the pyramid with salt water, it probably washed all that sand into that gigantic vertical shaft. Completely makes sense.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. And I tell you Joe, if we do the chemical exploration of that debris, we can find also a certain density of salt because were mixed in the past by salty water and debris and soil.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Also you could get dirt from the very bottom and it gets some sort of organic material and carbon date that and maybe you can get an understanding of like maybe when stuff was washed down to the bottom of that shaft.

JOE ROGAN: Very interesting. Yes, it’s possible. Can be possible.

FILIPPO BIONDI: It’s crazy. If they did that and it lines up directly with the Younger Giants impact theory, I mean that would be incredible evidence either way just what it is that we know that there’s immense shafts. We know that they go many, many meters deep into the earth. And we know that there’s these horizontal shafts along the way, these corridors along the way. Like all of it is just nuts.

The Osiris Shaft and Underground Water

JOE ROGAN: We saw. I was looking at the Osiris shaft here.

FILIPPO BIONDI: This shaft just near these other ones.

JOE ROGAN: When they found it, there was water down there. They had to get out.

FILIPPO BIONDI: And the water is not only cold.

JOE ROGAN: Ice cold, it says it’s clean enough to be drinking water.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Whoa.

JOE ROGAN: And I don’t know that it doesn’t. It sounded like it refills itself.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Oh, so there’s a spring down there. Well, that is also the problem with the labyrinth. So the labyrinth that they have where there’s this enormous atrium and this 40 meter long metallic object that apparently is underneath there, and this is through ground penetrating radar, they discover this. I don’t think they know what that metal is either. I think it’s an unknown metal.

But they built a dam there, I believe, in the 1960s and to help the farmers. And unfortunately that flooded that whole area. So because they changed the direction of the water and built this dam, the water table rose and that entire labyrinth is now filled with water.

But through ground penetrating radar, they’ve been able to get this accurate assessment of the dimensions of it. And then they go back to the descriptions of Herodotus, who described it. See if you can pull that up. Herodotus described it as greater than the Giza Plateau itself. So these labyrinths, these corridors, these atriums, these huge passageways underneath the Great Pyramid area. More complex and more spectacular than the pyramids themselves.

JOE ROGAN: Yes. My God.

FILIPPO BIONDI: My God. Like, what was this civilization, these people living in Africa, however long ago, were so much more advanced than perhaps anybody that’s ever existed. Including us, just in a different way. Including us, just in a different way.

JOE ROGAN: Just to remark the fact, Joe, that there is difference between the water table, which of course is composed by drinkable water, and the water that they found compounding the Osiris shaft and the water that transported all the debris. But that water was salty water because of the great flood. So it was water of the sea composing the sea.

Herodotus and the Labyrinth

FILIPPO BIONDI: Which makes sense when you see the salt that’s all over the pyramids. This is Herodotus quote. “I’ve seen it myself. And indeed, words cannot describe it, though the pyramids beg a description. And each one of them is a match for many great monuments built by Greeks. This maze surpasses even the pyramids.”

That is crazy. That’s crazy that he said that. And have you ever seen any of the artistic renditions of what it looks like? No, but see if you can find some of that, because we did it. If anybody’s interested in this, I can’t recommend enough UnchartedX. It’s Ben Van Kirkwitz. This is what apparently is underneath this area, which is just f*ing staggering.

JOE ROGAN: Wow, how nice.

FILIPPO BIONDI: This is all underground.

JOE ROGAN: And so I think we, the next, the next site that we can study can be this. Yeah, yeah, Awara.

FILIPPO BIONDI: And if you could find out what that 40 meter long metallic object is, that’s when things get weird. That’s when things get real weird. Because you find a spaceship down there, then things get really fun. I mean, we’re Egyptian space travelers. Why not? I mean, if they could build that, why not space travel? Who knows what they could do.

They’re lying in a gigantic stone box, tripping balls. They have this huge pyramid. The structures go how long? A kilometer. The entire thing into the Earth.

JOE ROGAN: 1.2.

FILIPPO BIONDI: 1.2 km into the Earth from the base of the pyramid down 1.2 kilometers. Wow.

JOE ROGAN: Wow, wow.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Does this change, I mean, from 2018 to now, from you researching this, does this change your entire perspective of human history and just human beings in general?

Rethinking Human History

JOE ROGAN: In my personal opinion, yes. Because before this was a problem accepting how the pyramids were made, all those stones, but if we can, if we are adding also the structures that are underneath, I don’t know what happens. More impossible than before.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Right? More impossible than. I mean, if you’d imagine with modern technology trying to recreate something like that. You’re talking about an immense project that would cost hundreds of billions of dollars, if not more. And the engineering involved in it. You’re an engineer. The engineering involved in doing something like that.

JOE ROGAN: Like how, how they can cut the granite so precisely, is impossible. Is impossible also today. Is it possible?

FILIPPO BIONDI: So they had some sort of a technology that is far more advanced than we have. They just went in a different direction. We went in the direction of internal combustion engines and electronics. And they probably went in some completely different direction.

JOE ROGAN: Yes, because the model science started from a point and then as you are saying, right. We followed a direction which is the direction of light. Because most of our inventions, yes, internal combustion engines and other stuff, but principally we use light because we can see it, we can see it, we can see light. Okay, we use light. But other existence, other people that was living in the past maybe use other things that we don’t know.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Maybe sound.

JOE ROGAN: Maybe sound.

FILIPPO BIONDI: It seems like if this is generating sound and vibration, if your speculation is correct. Yes, they were obsessed with vibration and sound.

JOE ROGAN: Yes, they were obsessed in vibrations and sound. Because all the structures that I watched inside the pyramids, they are like something that generates sound or they maintain clean the sound.

FILIPPO BIONDI: It resonates sound. It has a very specific echo to it.

JOE ROGAN: The Z, like that is magnificent. The Z is perfect. It’s a perfect device made by stones. It’s very nice.

Peaks and Valleys of Civilization

FILIPPO BIONDI: And just how, how and where did they get the understanding to construct something like this? And this, this is what screws up our idea of a linear timeline of human progression in civilization to go from caveman to modern 2026 human being. We like to think that it was just, oh, we figured this out, then we figured the wheel out, and then it was agriculture. Now here we are today with cars.

But more likely there were some peaks and valleys. We rose up to a very high level, probably during Egypt, and it was shattered down. And it took probably a long time before civilization rebuilt itself again.

JOE ROGAN: Yes, Joe, then we are speaking about modern living. But modern living has to be sustainable, right? I don’t think that our model living is so sustainable. No, no.

FILIPPO BIONDI: I mean, even our population isn’t sustainable. We’re in population collapse in many countries in the world, South Korea, Japan, even, there’s arguments about America itself that we’re in population collapse. And we’re also chaotic. We also have a very bizarre distribution of information that’s filled with nonsense and lies and propaganda.

JOE ROGAN: Propaganda, yes.

FILIPPO BIONDI: The government that’s constantly trying to censor people and control speech and limit your ability to express yourself and complain about things so they can continue to dominate resources. We have a weird society today, but it’s also a society because of this access to information where you can discuss and explore things in a way that has never happened before. And that is, that’s the most exciting thing about our time. There’s so much room for discussion.

Cold Fusion and the Philosophy of Natural Resonance

FILIPPO BIONDI: I want to, if I can, explain something that is maybe related to philosophy or to other things. We have an example of how modern humans are a bit strange because we are not made to research or to find the harmonics in our living.

And so I just want to make you an example. Do you remember in the 80s when the cold fusion rises? So maybe we are speaking about Fleischmann and Pons that made, for the first time they had a glass of water and inside they made this a mini nuclear reactor. Inside they had some results that were very, very poor results. I know, but was a base to build something stronger.

They put away that experiment. So no, they debunked that experiment. It was not good. It is not good because it is not possible. And the example of the cold fusion is how we are. Because cold fusion was devoted to find the energy using resonance. Resonance.

Why? How does it work? Cold fusion. We have two atoms of hydrogen. We start putting together these two atoms. But while we put together these two atoms, there are the atomic forces that tend to, no, I don’t want to stay with the other atom. But then there is a limit that the atoms fuse together and they are transformed in helium plus energy because of the mass difference.

And so you can do energy by fusion. This is fusion, not cold fusion. So you can have a fusion by forcing together the atoms that they don’t want to stay together. So you force them together. And that is hot. Yes, that is hot fusion.

Cold fusion, you convince the two atoms to stay together naturally.

JOE ROGAN: Okay, so what method did they use to convince these atoms to stay together naturally?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, you have to find a third material that convinces the two atoms to stay together. Like you say, I have a couple. You have a couple, a girl and a man. They don’t want to talk one to each other. If you put a third person between them, at the center of them, and maybe a third person convinces the man and the girl to speak together and they will speak together.

Okay, so the third material, which is palladium, they used palladium. Palladium has the physical property to make the two atoms speak together. And without forcing them they naturally transform into helium and they generate energy because the helium has a mass lower than the two atoms. With mass difference, you will generate energy.

JOE ROGAN: Doing this at scale is really the holy grail of modern science. This has always been the quest.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes. So we have two paradigms: convincing something or obtaining the results using the force. And so the street that you were speaking before, science had this street. We want to have things by using force, not convincing.

JOE ROGAN: Right. That’s where we are. That’s nuclear power.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, nuclear energy. Yes. Because I tell you, today also hot nuclear fusion does not exist because it is very difficult to make a huge reactor that uses the tokamaks or something related to laser that forces together the atoms. It is something not natural.

Cold fusion was natural. And so the pyramids are something related to vibrations, to harmonic resonance, to something like that. That is the right creation. That was the past.

JOE ROGAN: They were the right creation. They were doing it the correct way.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes.

JOE ROGAN: Instead of doing it against nature, they were doing it in harmony with nature.

FILIPPO BIONDI: In harmony with the nature and in the universe. And that’s why all the dimensions are related to the constants of the universe. The universe is like a book that is open. We have to just observe it. And it’s not difficult. It’s very simple to read the universe.

Predicting Hidden Chambers

JOE ROGAN: Okay, show me more, show me more of this presentation. What else do you have in here? When you go from the cap with the sound resonating into the supposed sarcophagus.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, yes, we can go to that slide.

JOE ROGAN: This stuff is awesome. This is my favorite subject by far of all subjects. Ancient history and particularly ancient Egypt is my favorite subject. Okay, so undeniably interesting.

FILIPPO BIONDI: If we can go a slide up here. Look, here we are dealing with something that happened in 2022 after our paper was published. Because these results are on our first paper. Look Joe, that slide there, the lower left side. Yes, yes.

JOE ROGAN: You depict chambers that were previously not known.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yeah, that’s the big void.

JOE ROGAN: Right? The big void.

FILIPPO BIONDI: That’s the big void. And then there is the chevron connecting with the corridor, the base of the Grand Gallery. That corridor was discovered six months later by Zahi Hawass.

JOE ROGAN: Wow.

FILIPPO BIONDI: They made the paper, but I depicted it six months before.

JOE ROGAN: So you let them know it was there and then they found it.

FILIPPO BIONDI: That’s the corridor. Yeah. I don’t want to say that I found it, but…

JOE ROGAN: Well, you found it. I’ll say it. You found it. So your technology showed something that turned out to be true and is now established.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes.

JOE ROGAN: And again, how crazy is it? They’re just finding new chambers in the pyramids in the 21st century. Pretty spectacular that they’re just finding this now.

FILIPPO BIONDI: And just yesterday I was examining it again. I don’t have slides here. I am sorry, but there are the results of the ScanPyramids project. The ScanPyramids project is very good. It is a very nice project group and they discovered the so-called big void.

But there is a problem because they say the big void can be something parallel to the Grand Gallery. Not steady, but inclined. Like inclined in an incline.

JOE ROGAN: Right.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Examining their results, I was observing something. Maybe I say, maybe I can say that I am right of this. Maybe they are confusing an inclined new chamber. They are distinguishing the top of the Grand Gallery and the bottom of the Grand Gallery like that.

I observed the results, but in my personal opinion the big void is not inclined, but it is located where there is that red blob there. That’s the Grand Gallery. Yes, there and also up. Yes, that’s the Grand Gallery. It is not inclined. It’s flat like that. It is steady, not inclined. Right. That’s the Grand Gallery.

JOE ROGAN: Why do they think it’s at an incline?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Because we are not seeing, my technique does not detect, is not detecting an inclined chamber on the top of the Grand Gallery.

JOE ROGAN: Why do they think there’s an incline?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, because they found two targets parallel. But I am feeling to tell them to be careful because maybe they are confusing the roof of the Grand Gallery and the lower part of the Grand Gallery.

JOE ROGAN: I see.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Okay. They have to be careful.

JOE ROGAN: Interesting. But it’s just also more evidence that your techniques are very effective and accurate because you did describe…

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, we can see the results that I obtained on the Gran Sasso. We can see the Gran Sasso and the laboratory of Gran Sasso. That is a perfect benchmark that describes the effectiveness of my technique.

Future Scanning Projects

JOE ROGAN: All right, show me some more. What else you got here? Show me another slide.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Below, I think. Ah, okay. Okay, we go to Gubbio. This is a town where I live.

JOE ROGAN: This is Sacsayhuamán.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes. This is Sacsayhuamán. And here I am showing you the next work that we can do once the Giza scanning activity is finished.

JOE ROGAN: So this is in Peru, correct?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes.

JOE ROGAN: And so you want to scan this as well, because, you know, we’ve had quite a few people on describe this.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Look, Joe, the stones are like marshmallows. Yes, they are like marshmallows. How they did those things there?

JOE ROGAN: Enormous, some of them, 100 tons carved from stones that, who knows how they put them into position, but they carved them in this very strange way to absorb the impact of earthquakes, right?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes.

JOE ROGAN: The idea of this technology is that the reason why they’re like a puzzle piece is because it would be much less likely to move in an intense earthquake.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Okay, go back to Gubbio. Just a few words on this city that is a small town that is located in Perugia, where I live. Look, the Italian, the authority of this city, of the town, asked me to perform scanning around that colosseum, that mini colosseum that is located in Gubbio, because probably there is a huge Roman city, not so old, but it is a Roman city that surrounds that arena that is there.

JOE ROGAN: So a lost Roman city that’s around that area?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, yes. And I say hello to the people of Gubbio.

JOE ROGAN: So is this the next thing that you’re going to do, one of the next things?

FILIPPO BIONDI: One of the next.

JOE ROGAN: But Sacsayhuamán…

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, yeah. And there is also Karakorum, also very interesting. The slide 51, please. Yes, yes. Karakorum. Yes. This is located in Russia and there are huge structures inside there.

JOE ROGAN: And this is in Russia?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, yes. And nobody knows the purpose of those things there. Nobody. It’s crazy. More than crazy.

The Mysterious Karakorum Structure

JOE ROGAN: And how big are these things? Keep this up just for a couple seconds. How big are we? What are we looking at here?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, we have 9 plus 16, plus 7 plus 10 plus 36 and they go below. So maybe 2 or 300 meters below.

JOE ROGAN: 2 or 300 meters. And there’s this immense rectangle at the bottom of these corridors?

FILIPPO BIONDI: And it goes more, more deeply. And so nobody knows what there is.

JOE ROGAN: And if you look at that image, it’s clearly a man-made structure.

FILIPPO BIONDI: It’s man-made. Absolutely, yes.

JOE ROGAN: I mean, look, they’re stones, they’re placed. Yeah, that is nuts.

FILIPPO BIONDI: That’s crazy.

JOE ROGAN: And they don’t, there’s no historical timeline, no understanding of who did it.

FILIPPO BIONDI: No. Wow.

JOE ROGAN: So it’s likely that there’s structures like this that exist that are undiscovered probably all over the world.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yeah. Yes. The nice thing of this is satellites are global. So one satellite flies from, let’s say, South Pole, North Pole, South Pole, like that. Because of the angular momentum conservation, the wheel of the orbit remains steady and the earth rotates inside this circle. The circle remains steady like that.

So at least once a day, one satellite can observe potentially any part of the globe in one day. So you can program snapshots where you want in all the earth in one day.

JOE ROGAN: And how many satellites are up there?

FILIPPO BIONDI: There are the satellites that contain on board of them a payload composed by synthetic aperture radar. There are a lot. There are different satellite companies that provide these services. So today it is possible to decide to observe something. Okay. I call the company and they put an image for me.

JOE ROGAN: And this structure in Russia, how was this initially discovered? Was it discovered by explorers manually?

FILIPPO BIONDI: By explorers manually, yes.

JOE ROGAN: And how did they get the dimensions of it? Are people able to go all the way down into it?

FILIPPO BIONDI: That man, because there is only a man that went down, because it’s very narrow. But once you go down, everything becomes very huge and large. He measured it manually, all those depths. But more than that you can’t go because maybe it’s too narrow, I don’t know.

JOE ROGAN: Okay, did you find any images of that, Jamie?

FILIPPO BIONDI: I’m looking into something. I’m stuck in a hole. Hold on. Someone was sort of saying that it’s in a different spot and now I’m trying to track it down.

JOE ROGAN: These are also weirdly only getting talked about over the last month. So I am digging down a different path.

FILIPPO BIONDI: When did they discover this?

JOE ROGAN: I don’t remember. 2011.

FILIPPO BIONDI: 2011.

JOE ROGAN: That’s crazy. The fact that they don’t know who made it or why, but it is clearly man-made. You’re seeing these stones perfectly cut, stacked on top of each other.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes. And you have the same.

JOE ROGAN: Okay. It says it’s currently known from fringe social media and YouTube style sources rather than former archaeological publications. Because it hasn’t been explored. Correct?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yeah, it’s 15 years ago.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, pretty nuts. But I mean, who’s doing that kind of work in Russia, especially now? Deep underground shaft lined with large parallel megalithic stone blocks with walls described as straight and polished suggest artificial construction rather than a natural cave or fissure. And this is all from our sponsor, Perplexity, that we run all of our questions through. And it’s always been very accurate.

Said to lie somewhere between in the Russian Caucus, often simply described simply as North Caucus or Caucus Mountains, with videos and posts presenting it as evidence of unknown or very ancient civilization with advanced stone working techniques. Crazy that they don’t know who made this. There’s no accessible peer-reviewed archaeological articles, official Russian heritage records or academic monographs to describe the site formerly named the Kara Hora. Am I saying that right? Kara Hora.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Hora Shaft.

JOE ROGAN: Kara Hora Shaft. Which strongly suggests the claim has not been vetted by mainstream archaeology. But you know, look, it exists. Whether it’s vetted or not, it doesn’t matter. Like what, who made it? What is it nuts? That’s really crazy. I had no idea that that existed. And it just makes you think like if they just found that in 2011 manually. Right?

FILIPPO BIONDI: And maybe doing a wide research by satellites, maybe starting from there, or other sites between that Carahora, maybe we will find other things.

JOE ROGAN: Right.

FILIPPO BIONDI: It could be a part of an enormous complex.

JOE ROGAN: Who knows? But just the fact that that exists, and that a human made that or humans made that, that’s crazy. The whole thing is crazy because it really does like anybody that, boy, the modern archaeologists and people that are the gatekeepers of archaeological information are fighting an uphill battle because like you can’t, at a certain point in time you have to give up and go, “I don’t know.” And that’s an “I don’t know” moment.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes. And I don’t know.

JOE ROGAN: What the hell is that?

FILIPPO BIONDI: What is that?

JOE ROGAN: Show me some more images, Jamie, because it’s really kooky of the shaft. Yeah, just what that looks like.

FILIPPO BIONDI: I’m trying to. It’s…

JOE ROGAN: I’m digging down a hole in it. There’s a post here on…

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, there are not so many. Like, they’re misinterpreting something.

JOE ROGAN: This is Jay Anderson. He’s been on the podcast recently.

FILIPPO BIONDI: This is the tweet I found.

JOE ROGAN: How about some fact check? In the Kabardino Balkya Republic North Caucus, the Russian Federation is a different place from Kara Koto. So Kara Hora and Karakoto. So there’s more than one place.

FILIPPO BIONDI: I’m trying to…

JOE ROGAN: I haven’t…

FILIPPO BIONDI: I’m just Googling stuff. It all comes from this one video.

JOE ROGAN: It seems like, because everyone’s pointing to this video.

FILIPPO BIONDI: And this video is compiled of all sorts of stuff.

JOE ROGAN: It’s got 3 million views from 2024.

FILIPPO BIONDI: So I can see how it went viral, you know, but it starts off with just showing that. And I don’t, you know…

JOE ROGAN: So this is probably the entry to this area maybe.

FILIPPO BIONDI: But again, no one knows.

JOE ROGAN: They can’t tell you where that is.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Like on a map.

JOE ROGAN: Right, got it.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Look how precise they are. So this might be…

JOE ROGAN: Who knows?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yeah. It could be real. Could be nonsense.

JOE ROGAN: Well, the images of that guy standing there looking outside of that opening that you showed earlier in your presentation, it’s just bananas. But whatever this is…

FILIPPO BIONDI: But that’s where I don’t know where it’s from. You know, it could be…

JOE ROGAN: Do they have any video of once they got all the way down through?

FILIPPO BIONDI: So here…

JOE ROGAN: Okay, let’s keep going. See what it looks like.

FILIPPO BIONDI: And I don’t even know. Yeah. So someone else has done narration on it. It’s coming from a different channel.

JOE ROGAN: I can see a tag on there. It’s coming from a different show.

FILIPPO BIONDI: God, look at the right angles, though. This is nuts.

JOE ROGAN: Yes.

FILIPPO BIONDI: I mean, it clearly looks like something man-made.

JOE ROGAN: Look how precise.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yeah, it’s crazy.

JOE ROGAN: That’s man-made. It’s absolutely man-made. There are also a comparison with the dimensions of the dimensions. Wow.

FILIPPO BIONDI: What the hell is that? That means what the hell is that? It’s crazy. And they found it in 2011.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah.

FILIPPO BIONDI: I mean, imagine how much more of this stuff. I mean, that’s one of the things about Gobekli Tepe. They’ve only observed 5% of it. I mean, 5% of it they’ve uncovered. And through ground penetrating radar, they know of multiple sites nearby.

JOE ROGAN: Yes, but ground penetrated radar has a problem.

FILIPPO BIONDI: What is the problem?

Ground Penetrating Radar Limitations

JOE ROGAN: The problem of ground penetrated radar is the penetration depth is few meters enough. So there is a problem with penetration depth. But in that depth you are very precise. So you have to take into account that more than 15, 20 meters below you can’t go.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Right. But using that method, they have found all these structures.

JOE ROGAN: It’s a good method for in situ exploration. Yes. And so you can find nice things with using ground penetrating radar. If you want to perform a wide area rough, let’s say rough scanning, you can use my method. So you can find huge things on wide area for data tapes. It’s okay. Ground penetrating radar.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Is there anything else you want to show us that’s in your presentation that you think… Show me some more stuff.

JOE ROGAN: It’s a pleasure.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yeah, please. It’s a pleasure for me too. Thank you. Thank you for being here.

JOE ROGAN: Okay.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Thank you for inviting Carahora. Is that how you say it? Karakora. Korra.

JOE ROGAN: Karakora.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Karakora. So this is a Karakora. So that image, go back one more time to Karakora. That. So that’s a legitimate image. That’s not AI generated. This is these guys standing in clearly what looks like megalithic stone stacked on top of each other. Clearly man-made.

JOE ROGAN: Yes, clearly man-made. Because look, you see?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes.

JOE ROGAN: You see the blocks?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yeah. You see the blocks? It’s f*ing nuts.

JOE ROGAN: No, but okay, we can understand that it’s possible. Maybe it’s possible to build something like that. Sure. The purpose.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Right, the purpose. And when.

JOE ROGAN: And who.

FILIPPO BIONDI: And what civilization. Right. Like, who did that?

JOE ROGAN: That’s…

FILIPPO BIONDI: That is insane.

JOE ROGAN: What even is that?

FILIPPO BIONDI: What even is that? Yeah, I mean, there’s ropes that go across. And that’s what you’re seeing. And you see this.

JOE ROGAN: Where’s his arm and where’s the rope go to?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Well, he’s got his arm posted on the side of that wall. And that rope goes across. And you’re just not seeing it because of the darkness.

JOE ROGAN: Is that like he’s leaning against something there too?

FILIPPO BIONDI: It looks like he’s got his hand on that wall. That opening. There’s an opening in that shaft. So what else is next in this presentation?

The Osiris Shaft Benchmark

JOE ROGAN: Okay. Yeah. Which way should I go? Okay, we go upstairs. Let’s see. Go back it up. That we have Gubbio. And here we have the Osiris shafts, which we use this shaft, the Osiris shaft, like a benchmark. Because we are able to understand the effectiveness of our technique that is able to retrieve the shape of the Osiris shaft.

Why the Osiris shaft? Because it is a benchmark that we know exactly how it is established.

FILIPPO BIONDI: So it accurately depicts the Osiris shaft?

JOE ROGAN: Yes, yes.

FILIPPO BIONDI: What else?

The Sangota Tunnel

JOE ROGAN: Okay, let’s go there. Okay. 43. 43. Yes. This is the Sangota tunnel. And here I made an exploration using my technique in order to retrieve this shape of the railway tunnel that it is approximately two kilometers below the mountain.

And the slide 44, we can understand that in this case the Alps, the mountain resonates like a crystal. So you are seeing, you are watching the mountain in the vibrational domain. It’s like a photograph, a photo picked up or synthesized by sound.

And in that case we can see the slide 45 and 46. We are detecting the tunnel. The tunnel? Yes, that’s the railway tunnel that is located below the earth. Wow.

FILIPPO BIONDI: So this is just more proof of the accuracy of the technique.

JOE ROGAN: Yes, yes.

FILIPPO BIONDI: This is some really stunning stuff.

The Mosul Dam

JOE ROGAN: Yes. I can explain you other experiments. We can go starting from slide 36. Okay, slide 36. This is a dam. And it is a very important dam. It is the Mosul dam that is located in Iraq. It’s very huge, is 300 meters tall, has a height of 300 meters and 3 kilometers from one part to the other part of the dam. So it contains a huge amount of water.

From the upper side there is the water that contains. And below there there is the river that the water comes out from the reservoir that is on top. Why the Mosul dam? The Mosul dam has a problem. It has been built on a bed of gesso. How you say? Yes. And gypsum is, while it is in contact of water, it melts. So the Mosul dam is dangerous because it has a serious problem of stabilization.

In this case, there are a lot of satellite methods and synthetic virtual radar methods that are devoted to perform the so-called infrastructure monitoring. And in this case, the Mosul dam is crucial to be observed by radar. In this case, I wanted to see this.

Slide 37, please. Here inside the dam, look, there is a tunnel, the red line, the tunnel. And here we have people that are working inside the tunnel. And the task was, with my technique, is it possible to detect the tunnel?

We go in slide 38. Okay. And we see on the right top, there is the tunnel. Just to explain you, where you see red, the vibration energy is high. So it is red. When you see blue, the vibration energy is low. Okay. It’s low. And inside the tunnel, because you have the air, you don’t have vibration. So it’s low. And so you see the tunnel. Okay.

And so we were also able to detect, slide 39, also the principal facility that are located inside the dam, which are the turbines.

FILIPPO BIONDI: The turbines.

JOE ROGAN: The turbines and other stuff. And all the mechanical machines. This is all the mechanical machines that are located inside.

FILIPPO BIONDI: All right. So it’s showing the accurate shape of the turbines as well. So this is just more proof that this technique works.

Gran Sasso Laboratory

JOE ROGAN: Yes. And so we go slide 31 on slide 31. Okay. Yeah. This is the Gran Sasso. How nice is this for me? Very nice, because I was born here.

FILIPPO BIONDI: This is the particle collider.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. Inside the mountain, in the core of the mountain, there is the laboratory here. And the task was, can I detect the facility that is inside the mountain? And so we are now in the slide 32 and 33. Okay. And we can see. Okay. The facility that is ENFN is the Istituto Nazionale di Fisica Nucleare.

FILIPPO BIONDI: You see the shape of it in there?

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. National Institute of Nuclear Physics. The Italian National Institute of Nuclear Physics.

FILIPPO BIONDI: And that’s more than a kilometer deep into the mountain.

JOE ROGAN: 1.4. And yes. And slide 35, we can see the laboratory. Wow. Yeah. This is the laboratory.

FILIPPO BIONDI: That’s crazy. That’s crazy. So using your techniques, you get an accurate depiction of the dimensions of this laboratory.

The Interferometer and Coherent Signals

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yeah. Wow. And that triangle is called the interferometer. So when you have two lasers that goes together, you can study the pattern, the interference pattern that coherent signals are generating. You can use an interferometer, and that’s the interferometer.

JOE ROGAN: Wow. This is all amazing stuff. It’s amazing. And I feel like we’re at the beginning of a very fascinating journey. And I think that your work and this research and all the controversy is good. All the controversy around it is just going to make more people talk about it, more people discuss it, and more people understand.

And it just seems to me that the more they research it, the more the mystery opens up and that it is, without a doubt, one of the most astounding discoveries in human history.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes. So thank you, Joe.

A Species with Amnesia

JOE ROGAN: Congratulations on discovering it, and thank you so much for all your hard work. Because, I mean, like I said, it’s to me, one of the most fascinating subjects. And, you know, what Graham always speaks of is that we are a species with amnesia.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes. And I agree with that.

JOE ROGAN: And, you know, it’s one of the reasons why so many people are mad at him because he was right. He was right in the 1990s. And as time goes on, he is being proven more and more to be correct. And things just seem to keep getting older. Yes. It’s amazing.

Thank you so much for being here. I really appreciate your time and I appreciate your work.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Thank you for inviting me.

JOE ROGAN: My pleasure. Let’s do it again when more stuff comes out.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Okay, I’m here.

Where to Learn More

JOE ROGAN: If anybody wants to find more about this, where would you send them to? Is there a website that would give them more information if they want to do a deep dive?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes, I have a personal website which is harmonicsar.com and I publish the app.

JOE ROGAN: Say that again. Harmonics.

FILIPPO BIONDI: SAR.com, yes.

JOE ROGAN: Harmonics SAR. It’s meant, it’s synthetic aperture radar is SAR. So harmonicsar.com?

FILIPPO BIONDI: Yes.

JOE ROGAN: Filippo Biondi. I mean, you’re the man. Thank you, sir.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Thank you.

JOE ROGAN: Really appreciate you.

FILIPPO BIONDI: Thank you.

JOE ROGAN: All right, bye, everybody.

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