Transcript of Maxime Bernier on The Tucker Carlson Show

We want a moratorium on immigration, a pause on immigration, no more immigrants for a couple of years until we fix the problem of mass immigration. And also a moratorium on these mRNA vaccines.

TUCKER CARLSON: We would like that, too. You never kind of get what you really want, do you?

MAXIME BERNIER: Yeah, well, you need to fight for that. You need to fight for that.

TUCKER CARLSON: So what is Trudeau doing? I mean, there are many people responsible. I would say I actually am one of the only Americans who’s interested in Canada and really loves Canada, because I live near Canada. And so I’ve followed it, and I think there are a number of people, not just in Trudeau’s party, but in his coalition party who are responsible, but he’s the most responsible. So what is he doing now?

MAXIME BERNIER: I don’t know. I don’t know. I don’t want to know, Tucker.

TUCKER CARLSON: But he just gets to, like, walk around Canada free.

MAXIME BERNIER: Oh, he’s still free.

TUCKER CARLSON: He put people in prison for opposing him.

MAXIME BERNIER: But I can tell you he needs a lot of security when he’s…

TUCKER CARLSON: I bet he does.

The Mass Immigration Crisis

MAXIME BERNIER: Yeah. You know, look, we are fed up with the Liberals, and right now, in that electoral campaign, it’s all about… There’s only one subject now. I wanted this election to be on mass immigration, that must be the most important. It is destroying our way of life.

You know, and when I’m speaking about mass immigration, people don’t understand that last year in Canada, we had 1.3 million foreigners coming to our country. For a country of 40 million people, that is mass immigration. And, well, that’s…

TUCKER CARLSON: That’s an invasion.

MAXIME BERNIER: Yeah. 97% of the growth of our population last year was coming from mass immigration. This is the replacement theory.

TUCKER CARLSON: But it was not a theory.

MAXIME BERNIER: It’s a reality.

TUCKER CARLSON: Canadian population, like the American population, the European population, replaced.

MAXIME BERNIER: That’s what is happening in our country right now. And the immigrants that are coming here, the foreigners that are coming to Canada are coming from countries that don’t share our Western civilization values. So it’s more difficult for them. And they don’t speak English or they don’t speak French. They cannot integrate into our society. That’s a big problem. That’s a huge problem.

And now you have the housing crisis because of that, too many people. All these people need a roof. But the solution is, it’s a question of supply and demand. You just have to stop the demand, and that will solve the housing crisis.

But Poilievre, the leader of the Conservative Party, like the Republican Party here in the US but they’re not conservative. They are conservative in name only, like Pierre Poilievre. Pierre Poilievre is the leader of the Conservative Party.

Political Fraud and Misplaced Priorities

TUCKER CARLSON: He seems like a true fraud to me, like a pretty sinister fraud.

MAXIME BERNIER: But he’s doing a campaign against Trump. They don’t want to do a campaign to help Canadians and put our country first. Now it’s all about, oh, the tariffs, and we need to do counter tariffs, but that’s killing us.

TUCKER CARLSON: How about stopping immigration from India and Pakistan? Is that first?

MAXIME BERNIER: First, please. Yes, first.

TUCKER CARLSON: But that’s not even a consideration because…

MAXIME BERNIER: No, they are pandering. They are pandering. The Liberals and the Conservatives are pandering to these ethnic communities for votes. So that’s why they don’t speak about ending mass immigration.

Actually, Poilievre said we need to have 250,000 foreigners a year, plus international students, plus temporary foreign workers, plus refugees. That would be about 1.5 million foreigners over three years. That is mass immigration in the middle of a mass immigration crisis. We cannot afford that. We cannot. That’s the story.

Who Benefits from Canada’s Destruction?

TUCKER CARLSON: So can I say again, just to the question I asked about Trudeau, I’m going to ask the same about Poilievre. Like, who’s paying him to do that? That’s not… I mean, no one’s benefiting. Maybe people from Bangladesh are benefiting. Okay. I’m not against them, by the way. I understand. I’d move to Canada, too, if I lived in Bangladesh. But no one in Canada is benefiting from this. So why would Poilievre and Trudeau be embracing the same policy that everyone hates and is destroying Canada?

MAXIME BERNIER: Yeah, you have a point there. 70% of the population in Canada, the last survey, are saying no to mass immigration. We must end mass immigration. So your question is, if these politicians want to be elected, how come they are not listening to the population?

TUCKER CARLSON: Exactly.

MAXIME BERNIER: Because there’s 343 ridings in Canada, and that’s a parliamentary system. So they’re looking at different ridings, and they want to have support in different ridings to be able to have a majority. But in a lot of ridings, there’s a majority of foreigners or immigrants, and they want to have their support.

But the new immigrants, they are asking for having their family here in Canada with them. When I’m speaking about family, it’s not the immediate family, mother, father and children. No, it is your uncle, your grandmom, granddad, brothers, sisters, so the entire family. And they want them here in Canada.

So they are saying, okay, reunification of family will do that for you. You’ll be able to bring all your family here in Canada. So because of the electoral system, they’re looking to win some ridings to have a majority. And that’s why they are not speaking for Canadians. They’re speaking for different people in different ridings where they have a majority there.

Democracy Without Democratic Results

TUCKER CARLSON: So what you’re really saying is that a democratic system does not produce democratic results. We have these democratic systems throughout the west that have for 50 years done the opposite of what their populations want. So it’s a democratic system without democracy. That’s the way it feels to me.

MAXIME BERNIER: And when you have another point of view, like us, the People’s Party, about that, they try to cancel you. They don’t want you. The mainstream media in Canada, it’s like I don’t exist as a populist party in Canada, so they don’t want our point of view to be out there.

So I need to do podcast and being with you and traveling across the country and doing my campaign on social media, that’s the only way to be out there. And they know if more people can understand our position, we will have more support. But they don’t want that. They’re globalists. I’m the only one who’s fighting for the sovereignty of our country. For them, more people would be okay. And for me, let’s just have that pause. They’re destroying our country.

TUCKER CARLSON: They’re not really globalists, are they? Because they’re not doing this to China and Africa and the Middle East. They’re not saying those nations need to invite a lot of people from different parts of the world. So it’s actually global…

MAXIME BERNIER: It’s only one side.

TUCKER CARLSON: It’s anti-Western.

MAXIME BERNIER: Yes.

TUCKER CARLSON: They’re saying that there’s something about a majority white Christian country that’s inherently threatening and we’re going to destroy it. And that’s kind of not kind of. It is exactly what they’ve done around the world.

MAXIME BERNIER: They did that in France, in UK, in Germany, and now we’re in Canada.

The Threat to Western Nations

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah. So you’ve got basically Russia left. And of course, that’s the country they hate most. So it is a tell. Like, they’re not screaming at Chairman Xi to let in a bunch of people from Nigeria. It’s like, not even on the table. They’re not even demanding Japan do that. It’s just Canada, UK, Western Europe, Australia, New Zealand and the US and that’s it.

MAXIME BERNIER: That’s it. And what they’re doing, you know, if you are a leader of a nation, your first responsibility is to work for your people. And it’s immoral what they’re doing right now, because they’re helping foreigners more than Canadians, of course.

Poilievre, the leader of the Conservative Party of Canada, and Carney, the leader of the Liberal Party of Canada, they are saying on mass immigration, we will solve that. We will build more houses for them. So what they’re doing, they want more foreigners, and that’s why they’re building more houses. But that’s not to solve the housing crisis for Canadians. No, that’s, you know, they are putting their energy to be sure that foreigners will come to our country and they will have a roof. I’m saying, no, just stop that, please. Let’s work for our people first.

TUCKER CARLSON: But why do they hate? I mean, look, in the end, you understand motive by action. Like, how does someone feel? I don’t know. Let’s watch what he does.

MAXIME BERNIER: Yeah.

TUCKER CARLSON: So if you deny your children food, you probably hate your children. You can say whatever. I love not giving them dinner.

MAXIME BERNIER: You hate them.

TUCKER CARLSON: Why do. And so they clearly Poilievre. And Trudeau and Carney really hate Canadians. Why is that? Why?

MAXIME BERNIER: What they like? It’s power.

TUCKER CARLSON: It’s.

The Trade War with the US

MAXIME BERNIER: You know, I wish I have the answer to that. But they are telling you the opposite. They’re telling you that they love, you know, Tucker, in that trade war with the US right now, Poilievre and Carney are saying to us Canadians, we love you. We love you so much, Canadians, that what we will do, we will impose counter-tariffs because Trump is bad. President Trump is very bad, you know, and we want to keep our country united. We are a sovereign country. We love you. We will impose a new tax on you. 25% on everything that you are importing from the U.S.

I told you, the inflation is high in Canada. Our standard of living is going down. And they add to that a new tax, 25%. And they’re telling us it’s because we love us. They love us. Sorry. And so it’s crazy.

And, you know, they’re okay with that. And the former prime minister of Canada, Stephen Harper. I was with him. I was a conservative before I was elected. For 13 years, I was a Minister of Foreign Affairs and Industry minister under the Harper government. I resigned, and we created the People’s Party in 2018.

But Harper just wrote a letter in the National Post in Canada three weeks ago, and he said, we need to do that trade war with US dollar for dollar. And you know, you’re 10 times bigger than us. We won’t win a trade war against the U.S. that’s true. And he said dollar for dollar. And he said, yes, it will hurt us Canadians, and yes, we may start a recession, but that’s okay.

So what I’m telling Canadians, no counter tariffs. It’s a tax that you impose on Canadians and Canadian businesses. You must stop that. We must have a deal with President Trump as soon as possible. And we are able to do that if we put everything on the table. But for Carney and Poilievre, no, that’s okay.

And actually, last week about this tariff, Carney said, okay, we will impose another tariff on the car imported from the US and he said the government will be able to raise $8 billion, and we will give that to big corporations because they are affected by these tariffs. They cannot export their products to the U.S. so what he’s telling us, I will take $8 billion from the poor consumers with that new tax, you Canadians consumers, you will pay that, and I will give that to big corporations. Taxing the poor and giving that to the rich, that is the policy of the Liberal government. And Poilievre is okay with that. That’s crazy. And that is killing our economy.

Political Support and Party Differences

TUCKER CARLSON: How much support does Poilievre have?

MAXIME BERNIER: Both of them are about tied in the polls right now, but I don’t know what will happen.

TUCKER CARLSON: Are there real differences between them?

MAXIME BERNIER: On tariffs? No.

TUCKER CARLSON: On immigration? No.

MAXIME BERNIER: On immigration? No. On climate change. Oh, that’s a good one. Poilievre is supposed to be a conservative. It’s supposed to know our position. The People’s Party is to withdraw from the Paris Accord, of course, like Trump. But for Poilievre, the conservatives and the liberal, there’s a climate emergency in Canada and we must do everything.

TUCKER CARLSON: Because it’s too cold in Canada.

MAXIME BERNIER: Maybe. Yeah, it’s too cold.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah, it’s still pretty cold in Canada.

Climate Change Policies

MAXIME BERNIER: Yeah, the cold, it is a little bit cold. But that being said, yeah, for Poilievre and Carney, they want to impose a carbon tax because Canadians don’t want it. So they are listening a little bit to Canadians. But they will impose more regulations on businesses. They will impose other taxes to fight climate change and to be able to achieve the Paris Accord goal that we have.

And at the same time, look at that. CO2 for them is a pollutant. You know, CO2 is not good and we need to capture the CO2. So they’re giving billions of dollars to a new technology to capture CO2 and put the CO2 down in the ground. So it’s so bad for it.

TUCKER CARLSON: It’s like a joke. It’s like a joke.

MAXIME BERNIER: But you know, Tucker, there’s one natural technology to capture CO2.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yes, there is.

MAXIME BERNIER: This is plants, trees, trees, plants. It is food for plants. We need more CO2. We don’t need to capture CO2 and put it that in the ground. But they will spend billions of billions of dollars that we don’t have.

TUCKER CARLSON: And they’re also hamstringing your country, preventing it from being rich on the basis of its abundant natural resources, which Canada has like the US, like Australia has amazing natural resources. And they’re basically saying we’re not allowed to use them because the Chinese don’t want us to. It does seem like China controls your country.

Foreign Interference in Canadian Politics

MAXIME BERNIER: Well, speaking about China, CSIS is our secret service. And they did an investigation and they said, that’s not me. They said it, that our election in 2019 and 2021, we had Chinese interference in our elections. The Chinese Communist was giving money to some candidates from Chinese origin. So it’s happening in our country right now. But Poilievre is okay with that.

And they said also there’s MPs, members of parliament in the Conservative Party of Canada and in the Liberals Party of Canada who are not loyal to our country. They said it. And we know, we want to know the names of these people. But Poilievre and Carney and Trudeau before that, they don’t. No, it’s secret. We won’t tell you who these people are.

So we have members of Parliament in the Parliament in Canada where their first goal is to help their country of origin, China or India. So that is happening because of mass immigration. If you have all these people who are coming to our country, they are not part of this country. They’re coming here only because of the economy. They want a better future economically, but, you know, they don’t share our values and their loyalty is with their country of origin.

TUCKER CARLSON: You’ve had political assassinations that have nothing to do with Canada at all. I mean, we have the same problem here. You know, everyone’s yelling at each other. But the Middle East. We’ve got nothing to do with the Middle East. Yeah, we have a lot of people who have got a lot of strong feelings about the Middle East that have nothing to do with America at all. And we’ve got these massive protests, people yelling at each other about these faraway countries. It’s totally nuts as our population withers and dies. But you have the same problem. And you’ve had, you know, Sikh, Indian, rival. I don’t even understand some of it. I’m not interested.

MAXIME BERNIER: Yeah, I’m not interested.

TUCKER CARLSON: I don’t think I should be interested. But you’ve had people killed over this.

Foreign Conflicts on Canadian Soil

MAXIME BERNIER: I’m not interested. Also, they are coming here and they’re bringing their internal conflicts, the conflicts of their country of origin on our street. They’re doing that in Canada right now.

So, you know, speaking about the Middle East, I’m not pro Palestine, I’m not pro Israel. I’m Pro Canada, I feel the same. So we don’t have to do anything over there. And our position is, you know, we won’t have any impact on the politics in Middle East. That’s you in the US will have the greater impact there. So that’s why I’m saying I don’t want to speak about that. That’s not our issue.

And same thing for the war in Ukraine. The war in Ukraine, I was the only leader saying, no, we must not participate in that war. But Poilievre and Trudeau at that time and now Carney, they are pro war and they are pro, you know, the war in Ukraine. And actually right now, President Trump, he’s doing the right thing. Try to have a peace deal with Russia. And we in Canada are saying to Zelensky, we’ll give you more ammunitions, we’ll give you more resources, let’s have that peace deal.

TUCKER CARLSON: You know, and they’re always, I notice every time I see your political leaders, they’re always talking about some. They’ve got very strong views in the Middle East. It’s like a massive debate in Canada. You know, I’m kind of agnostic on it personally, but I just wonder, what does that have to do with Canada? They spend so much time talking about it.

MAXIME BERNIER: Yeah, we must not talk about that. Absolutely. We must talk about the real issues. You know, no more climate change, no more Paris Accord, no more World Health Organization. The UN Global Compact on Migration. Canada signed that compact. So that’s why, you know, for the UN, migration is okay. Everybody can go in any countries and, you know, living there, you can be a citizen of Canada. No, it’s a privilege to be a Canadian, and that must be it. But, but, you know, with that mass immigration, it is not a privilege anymore. We don’t do anything.

The Decline of Canada

TUCKER CARLSON: It’s sad because it was, I mean, Americans always made fun of Canada, but in a sort of sweet way. And I think Canada’s Canadians, a lot of Canadians always resented the United States because it’s this huge country. Right. You know, I get, I get all that. But in real life, Canada was always a very sweet, nice country and beautiful, truly beautiful country.

And you have this disastrous 10 years where your life expectancy goes down, your standard of living goes down, the country really starts to fall apart and become authoritarian. The opposite of the sort of sweet Canadian culture you remember. And then your option, your option is a guy who actually agrees with the tyrant who destroyed your country. So it’s almost like, it’s like our system, it’s like we have Obama who’s clearly like, hates America, terrible for America. But our option is John McCain and Mitt Romney who agree with Obama. It’s like it all seems fake, kind of.

The People’s Party of Canada: A Populist Alternative

MAXIME BERNIER: No, but we are the only option for Canadians. That’s why I’m telling Canadians we are the populist and we can do the populist revolution based on free markets and respecting Canadians and working for Canadians. But you know, that revolution will come in Canada. Like in UK with Nigel Farage. He had 15% of the vote at the last general election in UK, he was able to elect only six candidates. But now in the polls, if you look at the polls in UK, he’s leading these polls, so that’s good for him. And you have Marine Le Pen in France. I hope she’ll be able to be a candidate for the presidential election.

So that movement started here in the US with Trump and it is coming to Canada that we are representing that movement. But you know, these two leaders are the same. I call them the Uni Party, Liberals of conservative. They’re lib con party. That’s the same on the most important issues. And now in that electoral campaign, they are using slogans. Poilievre is using slogans, “I’m here for you. I’m going to put Canada first.” He’s saying that seriously by saying more war in Ukraine, more mass immigration. You know, he’s not speaking about ending.

TUCKER CARLSON: The deficit, nor climate suicide.

MAXIME BERNIER: Yeah, climate suicide and all that. And you know, our enemy is Trump, President Trump.

Canadian Media and Government Funding

TUCKER CARLSON: And so you said you can’t get on Canadian media, which is mainstream media. It’s state media, right. I mean, doesn’t your government give money to the media?

MAXIME BERNIER: Yes, CBC. CBC and Radio Canada in French, $1.2 billion. But the federal government is giving also $800 million to other mainstream media, CTV, Global Mail. And so we will cut that.

TUCKER CARLSON: We want, you know, why not have a free media? Why? I mean, state media is for North Korea, right? Isn’t that.

MAXIME BERNIER: Yeah.

TUCKER CARLSON: Like free countries don’t have state media, do they?

MAXIME BERNIER: That’s why we want to cut that spending. And if Canada or CBC, they’re going bankrupt, that’s it. That’s okay. You know, that’s a free market. But they are the propaganda arms of the federal government, these mainstream media. And you know, the narrative on Covid. And now you have at that time, during the COVID hysteria, you know, you didn’t have the other narrative on mainstream media. And now the narrative is we must save our country from Trump. We are independent. We just need to have a good deal with President Trump. And so that’s the narrative right now coming from the mainstream media.

TUCKER CARLSON: So can you get your message? Like, how do you get your message out in Canada today with you? Is that right?

MAXIME BERNIER: Oh, yeah.

TUCKER CARLSON: You know, you gotta fly to the United States.

MAXIME BERNIER: Absolutely.

TUCKER CARLSON: Do Canadians look at social media?

MAXIME BERNIER: Oh, yeah, absolutely. That’s the future. You know, I’m the only leader of a national political party in Canada who is doing podcasts and Polievre and all these others. They won’t. They cannot sit for an hour, two hours, and having a discussion. They cannot do that. So. But the new way of doing politics, Trump did it. President Trump did it and, you know, was successful. You need to have a discussion and explain your point of view and your political philosophy, political position. So I’m doing that. I’m the only one. And it’s helping. Yes, it’s helping. And I think, how are you treated.

TUCKER CARLSON: By the Globe and Mail in CBC and Radio Canada?

MAXIME BERNIER: I don’t exist.

TUCKER CARLSON: They don’t even mention you.

MAXIME BERNIER: I don’t exist for them. I don’t. And actually, look at that. I was supposed. I did participated in the leaders debate in 2019. We created that party in 2018. 2019 was our first election. And I did participate in the leaders debate against Trudeau at that time. But in 2021, they created a new rule and they said, okay, Bernier, now you don’t have the right. And that commission, that leaders debate commission, it’s only to exclude. They exist only to exclude the People’s Party. And at this election, I was supposed to be able to participate in the national debates that will be next week. But they changed the rules just to exclude us. So that’s not fair. That process is not fair. They’re so afraid of our ideas. They don’t want us to have any traditional platform.

TUCKER CARLSON: That’s frightening. Can you raise money?

MAXIME BERNIER: Yes, we have generous by using, you know, our emails and our members. And yes, we have money. We are able to raise money. And I want to thank our donors. They are very generous. And so you need to be a Canadian citizen to donate. And if they want to donate, they can go on our website, PeoplesPartyofCanada.ca click Donation. That will help us.

Quebec Separatism and Provincial Autonomy

TUCKER CARLSON: Where are the French in all this? I always felt most Americans made fun of the French Canadians. I know a lot of them. I have a lot of French Canadian friends. I live near French Canada. And I’ve always liked them and I have always defended them and I always liked them because they defended their own culture and their own language. They’re a little hard to deal with. The rest of the French always complain about them and their license plates in Quebec and all that, but I always thought when it came right down to it, the French Canadians would defend their land, their culture, their language, their history.

MAXIME BERNIER: And they’re doing that, right, are they?

TUCKER CARLSON: I hope so.

MAXIME BERNIER: Yeah. They are doing that right now. Look at the provincial level in Quebec, there’s the Parti Quebecois, the separatist party, and a young charismatic leader is the leader of that party. And the election at the provincial level in Quebec will be in 2026. And he’s speaking about separation. And separation is growing in the polls right now. Why? Because of Trudeau? Because of mass immigration. Francophone are looking at it. All these immigrants and foreigners that are coming to Quebec and Canada who don’t speak French, they cannot integrate in the Francophone culture. So they don’t like that. So they’re looking at the Parti Quebecois. And the Parti Quebecois is winning the polls right now. And the leader said, if I’m the new premier of Quebec a year after my election, I will do a referendum on the independence, the sovereignty of Quebec.

So it’s back now because of mass immigration. And in Alberta, they are so mad about Ottawa and, you know, because they cannot export their natural resources with, you know, climate change regulations against the oil and gas industry. More Albertans are separatists now. So I’m telling Canadians, we are the only hope for this country if we want to save this country. The People’s Party is there because we will respect our constitution. We will have a radical decentralization. Alberta will be able to do that. We won’t participate in the Paris Accord. We won’t participate with these globalists at the UN or the World Economic Forum or World Health Organization will be a real independent country, but Ottawa will be a smaller government that will be only in charge of its constitutional responsibilities and not interfering in provincial jurisdictions. Now, you have that separatist movement in Alberta because of the federal government that is, you know, telling Albertans what to do. And Albertans don’t like it, and I understand that.

TUCKER CARLSON: Do you think there’s a chance that Alberta joins Montana?

MAXIME BERNIER: You know, they can stay in the country, and I hope that they don’t stay in the country if the People’s Party position is adopted in our country, if we win, because we will have a radical decentralization, and I believe. And we respect their jurisdiction, provincial autonomy, and I hope that they will stay if not they will want to be independent or they can be the first 51st state, I don’t know. But that being said, my goal is to unite this country and with our policies we will. But if we go with Polievre or Carney, that would be the end of this country in couple of years.

And actually Preston Manning, Preston Manning was the leader of the Reform party in the 1980s. And at that time, you know, the western Canadians were very mad at Ottawa with Trudeau and they had that regional political party, the Reform Party and very successful. And after that the Reform Party did merge with the Canadian alliance and after that the Conservative Party of Canada. So the Reform Party does not exist anymore. And our platform, it’s about 90% of the reform. More autonomy, less government, fiscally responsible.

But Preston Manning said two days ago that if nothing changed in this country, it would be good for Alberta to separate. He’s saying that as the former leader of a party who try that party that tries to have western back in Canada by changing Ottawa and he was not successful. And now he’s saying to Albertans, yeah, separation. And I’m okay with that. If Ottawa doesn’t do anything for us, that would be the only solution. But we need. And that’s why for me personally, I decided to jump into politics in 2006 to have a federal government that will respect our constitution, that will be a smarter government, that will have a real free market. But that is not happening.

On Justin Trudeau

TUCKER CARLSON: Do you know Justin Trudeau personally?

MAXIME BERNIER: I had a dinner with him when I was in parliament and when he was in the opposition a long time ago. And, you know, he’s full of himself, but, you know, he’s a funny guy, but.

TUCKER CARLSON: Oh, he’s charming in person.

MAXIME BERNIER: Oh yeah, he’s charming, he’s funny and you know. But actually it’s all about himself. Yeah, it’s all about himself.

TUCKER CARLSON: Is he Fidel Castro’s son?

MAXIME BERNIER: That’s a good question. We need to have a DNA on that.

TUCKER CARLSON: Do people in Canadian government believe that he might be.

MAXIME BERNIER: But Canadians. Some Canadians believe for sure. Oh, actually, yes. And you know, that’s on social media, you can see.

TUCKER CARLSON: So it’s not just a crazy theory that could be true.

MAXIME BERNIER: For some it’s crazy. For others it is not. Yes, but it is a real question.

TUCKER CARLSON: Certainly looks like.

MAXIME BERNIER: Looks like it. Yeah.

Canadian Healthcare System

TUCKER CARLSON: One of the. I’m not for socialized medicine, I guess, but. But I don’t have really strong feelings. I just want something that works, I guess, is what I.

MAXIME BERNIER: But it is not working in Canada.

TUCKER CARLSON: Well, it’s just sad because you would go to Canada. I’ve spent a lot of time there hunting and fishing. And even the conservative Canadians say, you know, we’ve got this great healthcare system. And they were so proud of their healthcare system and they really were. I remember very well, 30 years ago, they would always tell you. And they were a little bit insecure and defend, you know, we’re can, you know, we’re Canada, we’re a real country. They’re always like that. But we have this great healthcare system and they really were proud, I think. Were they?

MAXIME BERNIER: But that’s not the case right now. That’s not the case right now because the waiting list for surgeries, you can wait a year. So it. And you know, we are spending a lot of money for health care and that’s not functioning.

TUCKER CARLSON: So. But do people feel like it’s not working in Canada?

Healthcare Reform in Canada

MAXIME BERNIER: Yeah, more people, actually. Oh yeah, more people. So they’re ready. My position is for every Canadian to have an insurance. Everybody will have an insurance and they will be able to choose if they can go to a private hospital or a public hospital, like in Sweden, like in European countries, they’re spending less on healthcare, but they’re more effective for us. We need to put more competition in the system. So that would be a mixed system. We don’t have that right now. In some provinces, like in Quebec, you can have private clinics that can do some surgeries. But all across the country, we need to have more private delivery of health care services, and we don’t have that. And so more Canadians now understand that and they’re ready for that reform. But establishment politicians won’t speak about that. It’s a taboo subject to ask for more private delivery of services.

TUCKER CARLSON: But the system itself doesn’t work very well. Right?

MAXIME BERNIER: Doesn’t work. Doesn’t work.

TUCKER CARLSON: Immigration must be putting huge strain on that system.

MAXIME BERNIER: That’s why—on that system, on our infrastructures, on health care, on schools. Schools, all that housing, that must be the first priority for us in Canada and for the mainstream media, the mainstream politician. It is not. We are, with the Liberals, driving into a wall. And with the Conservatives, we are driving into a wall, but at a different speed. That’s sad.

The Problem with Western Political Systems

TUCKER CARLSON: Same here. I’m not a conspiracy person, but like, if every democratic system in the west has the same outcome, which is two parties that fundamentally agree on the big issues but pretend to hate each other while the real concerns of the population are ignored, you gotta wonder, like, how did every country in the west wind up with the same fake system? Like, honestly, how did that happen?

MAXIME BERNIER: Yeah, we must admit that the globalist organizations and the World Economic Forum, they have huge influence. They are think tanks, they are promoting their socialist globalist ideas in Canada, in other countries. And you have our elites, they are going to Davos. They like that. And they’re, oh, that’s a good idea. They think that they know better than us what is good for Canadians. And they want to fix everything. And a solution to every problem must be a governmental solution, must be a solution that is coming from the government. But the government is the problem. We have too much government in our lives. So that’s the problem in Western society right now. Mass immigration, big government, big deficit, high inflation, all that must change.

TUCKER CARLSON: Do you have friends or family who’ve left Canada?

MAXIME BERNIER: I know people, not family, but I know people, business people are saying, I don’t want to invest in Canada right now. And our private investment is going down and you need investment for economic growth.

TUCKER CARLSON: Of course.

MAXIME BERNIER: So, yeah, some people are leaving the country, but my goal, I’m telling them, stay in Canada, do the fight with me. Together we can do that fight. You know, we will win that battle of ideas. We have the best ideas based on individual freedom, personal responsibility, respect, small government. We have faith in people. We don’t have faith in a big fat government. So stay in Canada, fight with me. And that’s the fight. We need to win that fight.

Gun Rights in Canada

TUCKER CARLSON: Why did they take all your guns away?

MAXIME BERNIER: Oh, Trudeau did it, and he was very successful to do it. Trudeau doesn’t want us to defend ourselves, and that’s why in our platform, we have the Castle doctrine. You must be able to have a gun. You must be able to defend yourself and your property with that. We need to change our criminal code for that and our position as political party. We will repeal every legislation that Trudeau put in to be sure that he will eliminate all the guns. But for him, and for the Conservatives also, on guns, they’re dangerous. People are not responsible. They must not have guns. So that’s why we have very tough legislation on guns in Canada.

TUCKER CARLSON: I noticed.

MAXIME BERNIER: And they don’t respect property rights on gun. The federal government can decide tomorrow with a new regulation, this gun is illegal, and the RCMP or police will go and seize your gun.

TUCKER CARLSON: You’re very heavily armed. I’ve had a couple encounters with Canadian law enforcement over the years. Bad encounters. And, boy, they’re heavily armed and very aggressive. Very aggressive. They’re not the kind of polite Canadians you think about. RCMP is, like, not anyone to mess with. They seem like a military force to me.

MAXIME BERNIER: All right. But now they’re world organization. I know the leader of the RCMP. Now in the RCMP and in the Canadian forces, you can be a soldier for us without being a Canadian citizen.

TUCKER CARLSON: What?

MAXIME BERNIER: Without being a Canadian citizen. You’re an immigrant. You can be part. You can participate in the Canadian forces.

TUCKER CARLSON: So you’re not a citizen of Canada, but they’ll hand you an automatic weapon.

MAXIME BERNIER: And defend our country that you don’t know.

TUCKER CARLSON: But a Canadian citizen can’t have a gun at home, but they’ll give some foreigner an automatic weapon, a fully automatic, very dangerous one.

MAXIME BERNIER: Yeah, yeah.

TUCKER CARLSON: So that suggests, like, they don’t have good plans for you. That’s not a good sign. Right?

The Need for Change in Leadership

MAXIME BERNIER: That is not. That’s why we need that revolution. We need to change the leadership that the Canadian Forces and RCMP having real people promoting people because of their competence. The DEI in Canada, it’s killing everything Trudeau gave.

TUCKER CARLSON: Still.

MAXIME BERNIER: Oh, still Trudeau is. The Liberals are giving a lot of money to third party organization to promote.

TUCKER CARLSON: DEI anti-white policies.

MAXIME BERNIER: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. And they’re doing that and they’re going to promote people based on the color of their skin in the government and in the Canadian forces based on your sexual orientation. We must not do that. It’s against the Western civilization values. We must promote meritocracy. So I’m saying instead of DEI, it must be not diversity, but unity. Instead of equality, it must be, everybody must be equal before the law.

TUCKER CARLSON: Exactly.

MAXIME BERNIER: And that’s part of our values and inclusion. You want to have people who are not competent to do something in the government or in the Canadian forces, it must be based on meritocracy. And that’s why what President Trump is doing in the US fighting that. It’s great because our mainstream media now in Canada, they have to speak about what is happening in the US and they’re speaking about what President Trump is doing promoting meritocracy and ending all that woke ideology.

So that is part of the narrative now in Canada, so more people understand what is DEI, what is the woke ideology. Because when I’m speaking about that, and we know it’s part of our program for the last six years, when I’m speaking about that, the mainstream media won’t cover me. So now they are speaking against a little bit the DEI because they are telling us what Trump is doing in the US but for them it’s very bad. But at least they’re speaking about that and so people can think. Yeah, promoting people based on your competence must be the thing that you must do.

The Potential for Revolution

TUCKER CARLSON: I wonder at a certain point and clearly Trudeau and Poilievre and the rest of them Carney think this too. But like, how far can you push people before they respond in an unreasonable, violent way? I mean, if this was in Canada, if it was any other country, I would say, boy, they’re gonna get a revolution if they’re not careful. Like, you can’t oppress people like this. You can’t offer them suicide instead of healthcare. You can’t flood their societies with foreigners. You can’t destroy their standard of living. You can’t throw them in jail for expressing opinions without provoking like a violent response. Are they worried about that? Is that why they took your guns away?

MAXIME BERNIER: If they’re worried about that, I’m not worried about that.

TUCKER CARLSON: As a leader of a—I’m against violent revolution.

MAXIME BERNIER: Just for the record, I’m against also that. No, the revolution will come when people would be ready and it’s happening right now. You can see the change. You can see we have more support as a new political party. People understand the battle that we are doing and I believe it would be a quiet revolution. They’re going to say enough is enough and that will happen. But as soon, I don’t know, it may be in couple of years or a couple of months, we never know.

TUCKER CARLSON: But you see throughout the west, the democratic system controlled by authoritarians, excluding people from the system. You see with Marine Le Pen right now in France, you were just knocked out of the debates. Georgescu in Romania arrested for running on a populist position. The most popular politician in the country and he’s arrested because he’s the most popular. So they’re basically denying people a democratic outlet for their frustrations. They’re saying even your voting this country, they stole the 2020 election. Obviously. They’re basically not allowing people any way to express their views at all. And that seems like a scary thing to do.

MAXIME BERNIER: Well, we can have another freedom convoy in Canada. That was very successful. And that was successful because at the end we were able to stop these draconian measures on us with that freedom convoy. So maybe something like that can happen. A very peaceful protest in Canada saying to our politicians, enough is enough. It can happen. Yeah.

Mark Carney and Canadian Politics

TUCKER CARLSON: Who is Carney? Can you explain who Mark Carney is?

MAXIME BERNIER: Oh, my God.

TUCKER CARLSON: He’s the leader of the Liberal Party. He was the replacement for Trudeau.

MAXIME BERNIER: He is the globalist in chief. He was, as you know, Tucker, the special envoy on climate action and finance for the UN and he wrote a book about climate change and imposing a carbon tax. But now he’s a politician and he knows that it is not popular to impose a carbon tax. Canadians, they don’t want to pay more taxes anymore. So he said, I want to impose a carbon tax. But he is part of the elite with the UN and the World Economic Forum.

And for Canadians right now, it’s like, that’s a Trudeau 2.1. But he looks more competent because he was the governor of the Bank of Canada, actually, and he believes in printing money out of thin air that we can have deficit and the Bank of Canada will buy Canadian bonds and so like they did during COVID-19.

I’m waiting for him and Poilievre to tell us when they will balance the budget. I know what President Trump is doing in the US with Torch. We need to do the same in Canada. We need to do the same. And I said that in 2020. We need to have a department of downsizing the government. We need to do that. But he is a big spender, and for him and Poilievre spending money, money that we don’t have, it’s okay. That is creating inflation. And we are paying the inflation tax in Canada right now.

TUCKER CARLSON: What kind of support does Carney get from new Canadian citizens, from immigrants?

Mark Carney’s Political Support and the Trump Tariff Issue

MAXIME BERNIER: He has a lot of support from the mainstream media now. The mainstream media is promoting him. You can read the news in Canada since the beginning of the electoral campaign. Carney is always presented in the most favorable way in the news. That’s good for him because now if you look at the polls, he’s doing well, but I don’t trust these polls anymore.

With the population following that narrative, they’re looking for somebody that will save the country against President Trump. The campaign is not between Carney against Poilievre where they are fighting against each other. No, both of them are fighting against Trump with the tariff. They’re fake patriots. They’re using the fear of the tariffs and the economic situation in Canada to promote themselves with fake patriotism.

TUCKER CARLSON: And there is pre-existing sensitivity about the United States. I mean, that’s part of what it is to be Canadian. There’s a love of the United States. This is my read as an observer of your country. A lot of Canadians love the United States. But there’s also resentment because it’s just so big and it’s right there. And that resentment is real. I mean, I’ve always felt it when I’m in Canada. And Trump has allowed them to do this. I mean, just be honest about it.

Understanding Trump’s Economic Strategy

MAXIME BERNIER: But we must understand what President Trump is doing. The global view of all that he started with tariffs. That’s okay. It’s a way for him to negotiate. We must not do counter-tariffs in Canada. But the end goal is to repatriate the manufacturing industry in US and he wants to make America great again. He’s fighting for you guys, for Americans. I want to do the same in Canada. I’m fighting for Canada. I’m fighting for Canadians.

So it’s okay to want to have the manufacturing sector back in the U.S. For us in Canada, we just have to be more productive and lower taxes to businesses, having a more productive economy, a real free trade across the country. There’s a way to do that for us to keep investment here in Canada. But our policies are not efficient anymore and there are too many taxes, too many regulations.

But what President Trump is doing, the real solution for that problem, it’s because of your dollar. As you know, Tucker, the dollar is the world’s reserve currency. And because of that, you have the Triffin dilemma. Your dollar is very strong and other countries need your dollar because for international transactions, to buy oil and gas, they need your dollars.

So you are exporting your dollars and your exports are very expensive and not competitive because your dollar is so strong. The demand for your dollar is very strong and your imports are very cheap. So the way to solve that, to be able to export, is to end the dollar as the world reserve currency. But that would mean a very tough transition.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yes, it does.

MAXIME BERNIER: With inflation, all these dollars will come back to the US and that will create inflation. So we need to end that fiat currency and go back to a gold standard. And that’s why I believe gold is coming to us right now. And I think something will happen. We’ll have a monetary reset or something will happen. And here in Canada we are not in a good position because our central bank, the Bank of Canada, doesn’t have any gold reserve. So if we have a new monetary system…

TUCKER CARLSON: You have no gold reserves?

MAXIME BERNIER: No gold reserve.

TUCKER CARLSON: Why?

MAXIME BERNIER: They sold all that.

TUCKER CARLSON: They sold your gold reserve.

MAXIME BERNIER: Oh yeah, we have a lot of your Treasuries. But we don’t have any gold.

TUCKER CARLSON: No.

MAXIME BERNIER: We are the only central bank, the only one in western world that doesn’t have any gold.

TUCKER CARLSON: But Canada is a huge gold producer.

MAXIME BERNIER: At least we can produce gold. Yeah, a lot of gold.

TUCKER CARLSON: You have actually some of the… I think you’ve got some of the deepest gold reserves in the Canadian mint. Of course, your gold 1oz coins are currency or investment for people around the world. That’s interesting.

MAXIME BERNIER: But our central bank doesn’t have any gold.

TUCKER CARLSON: So who thought that was a good idea?

The Future of the US Dollar and Global Economy

MAXIME BERNIER: I don’t know. But they decided to sell that couple of years ago and now we are in a very bad situation because I believe that the role of the US dollar will be very different. Yes, something will happen to solve your problem about the manufacturing sector.

TUCKER CARLSON: It’s a blessing and a curse. No, that’s right. Having the world’s reserve currency is. And once the war in Ukraine started and sanctions were used as a weapon, the dollar was used as a weapon. It was the end of the long term. It was the beginning of the end of the US Dollar.

MAXIME BERNIER: Yeah, the de-dollarization is coming and it’s happening right now. So it’s a question of time. But I understand that President Trump wants to do the transition, but it will hurt. It will be difficult.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yes, it will.

MAXIME BERNIER: And I agree with him about his end goal to have manufacturing sector back in the U.S. I want the same in Canada. And so we must have real good economic policies.

Our Bank of Canada did the same thing like the Fed during COVID-19. We printed a lot of money. Now we have that inflation. And I’m the only politician who’s saying we need to have a zero inflation target with the Bank of Canada. Our Bank of Canada has a target of 2% inflation every year. 2% inflation is bad. We need to have zero inflation like that. Everybody will keep their purchasing power.

And if you want to have that, you need to have a balanced budget. So we balance the budget in first year. We tell the Bank of Canada a zero inflation target. We have surplus, and all the surplus must go to lower taxes to Canadians and a flat tax on business. No more capital gains tax. That’s our proposal for Canadians to have a better and a more productive economy.

Poilievre won’t speak about that. Carney won’t speak about that. But we need to tackle that. President Trump is doing that right now. He’s trying to do that right now. There’s a cost to that, but at least he’s not kicking the can down the road like everybody did before him.

TUCKER CARLSON: If you have debt levels at the level that Canada does, certainly in the United States, much bigger debt than Canada’s, the government needs inflation.

MAXIME BERNIER: Yeah.

TUCKER CARLSON: The government creates inflation because that’s the only way to get out of the debt, right?

MAXIME BERNIER: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

TUCKER CARLSON: No one says that.

MAXIME BERNIER: No, no.

TUCKER CARLSON: This is like a product of choices that our policymakers consciously make in order to inflate down the debt.

Inflation and the Future of Western Economies

MAXIME BERNIER: Yeah, that’s what happened after the Second World War in Canada. In the 1940s, we had 10 years of inflation to pay for the debt that we had after the war. So now, not only the U.S., Canada, and all Western countries have huge debt, huge deficit. So something will happen.

We will have to reevaluate gold. We may have a kind of a gold standard, but inflation is bad for the population. It’s good for government because they can print money and give us a lot of gifts, paying for a lot of programs. But that is creating inflation. And now you have inflation in the US and we have inflation in Canada, and we may have that inflation for the next five, 10 years. That’s the way to deal with the debt.

I’m saying that the deficits of today are the taxes of tomorrow or the inflation of tomorrow. So the inflation is coming. It’s there, and it is coming. And when you have inflation, what will happen after that? Interest rates will have to go up. So we are in a very difficult situation, Canada and U.S. and other Western countries right now.

That’s why what Trump is doing by all these tariffs is asking all these countries to come and have a negotiation. But I believe the negotiation won’t be on tariffs. It will be of a new monetary order. We need that.

TUCKER CARLSON: I think that’s right. And it’s inevitable. We’re getting it. De-dollarization is real. And again, it’s just inexorably, you can’t stop it.

Canada’s Natural Resources

TUCKER CARLSON: So it does seem big picture if you’re just looking at the world, a lot of these conflicts are about resources like physical things. Oil and gas, iron ore, bauxite, grain, gold. I mean, uranium. Canada has a lot of, not all, but a lot of those things. Some of the deepest deposits in the world, water. Canada has massive amounts of fresh water. So I’m wondering what’s happening to all your resources? Is anyone paying attention? I mean, because China needs the resources to fuel its manufacturing. Asia broadly speaking needs those resources. Are they still under Canadian control?

MAXIME BERNIER: It’s a good question. Because China tried to buy some of our resources a couple of years ago and at least the federal government did stop that. So yes, it is under our control. But the problem is not who is controlling our natural resources, it’s that we are not able to exploit them with our regulations and taxes.

The last 10 years, the Trudeau government told the mining industry and oil and gas, we need to get rid of that. It’s not clean and we cannot export that. So he put a lot of regulations. We cannot have pipelines, we cannot exploit and export our natural resources. No pipelines. And that’s the problem.

It’s the regulations and the fact that the federal government is doing everything to stop the exploitation of our natural resources. Trudeau did everything to do that and he was successful. So now we don’t have any pipelines. And so we are sending our oil and gas to you guys, to the US at a discount because we cannot have access to other markets. So good for you, but bad for us. This country, Canada can be a great country if we have the right policies.

Climate Change Perspective

TUCKER CARLSON: So I mean, it’s very obvious that climate change has been going on since the beginning of time. Right. The climate, we had glaciers, now we don’t, etc. The climate is always changing. Natural phenomenon are responsible for the overwhelming amount of that change, not human activity. Like that’s just science. Anyone who says otherwise is a freaking liar. Over 90% is caused by…

MAXIME BERNIER: Yeah, and we need more CO2.

TUCKER CARLSON: Exactly. But like a country like Russia, which is slightly more rational than the West, I would say, looks at climate change and says, well, wow, this is good for us because we’re a really cold country and huge parts of our country are inaccessible because of cold. And if it gets warmer, that’s like good for us. Yeah, that would be especially true for Canada. There are whole parts of Canada…

MAXIME BERNIER: Yeah.

TUCKER CARLSON: Much bigger than the United States and everyone in Canada is 50 miles from the U.S. border. Like, why wouldn’t Hudson Bay be a… I mean there’s so much opportunity in climate change in Canada. Does anyone ever say that?

MAXIME BERNIER: Yeah, but no, it’s bad. No, it’s bad climate change.

TUCKER CARLSON: But how is it bad if you’re Canada? I don’t really get that.

MAXIME BERNIER: No, it is not bad. But for them it is so bad that we must fight that. And it’s so bad that we think that we can control the climate. It’s crazy. We humans can control the climate by regulation and things like that. It’s so complex that we cannot. But there’s no climate emergency. Can you understand that?

TUCKER CARLSON: Well, but also there’s… We can’t control the climate.

MAXIME BERNIER: Yeah, we can’t.

TUCKER CARLSON: You’re right, because we’re not God. Canada was a religious country even when I was a kid. The French Canadians were very religious. They built all through northern New England. There are all these…

MAXIME BERNIER: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

TUCKER CARLSON: You know, cathedrals built by Catholics. Yeah, big time.

MAXIME BERNIER: Yeah.

TUCKER CARLSON: And now they’re all empty, sadly, but those cities are all African. But anyway, there was a time when Canada was a very religious country. Now it seems like one of the most non-religious atheist countries in the world. Is that your…

Promoting Canadian History and Identity

MAXIME BERNIER: But we are not promoting our history as a country with that Multiculturalism Act. You can come here and keep your culture and don’t integrate to our society. But that being said, in our constitution, it is written that this country has been built on the supremacy of God and the rule of law. That’s part of our constitution. Yes, freedom of religions exists in our country and I’m okay with that. But I hope that we can promote our history.

This country, Canada has been built with settlers from France, from UK and with indigenous people. But the new immigrants who are coming here, they don’t know the history of this country. I’ve been traveling across the country delivering speeches and people have told me, “Maxime, you’re an immigrant also.” I’m not an immigrant, I’m a settler. My descendants are French. I didn’t come to this country 20 years ago. My roots are deep in this country, in Canada.

That’s why we need to stop that mass immigration and promote our history, our values. Our values.

TUCKER CARLSON: What is your license plate say in Quebec?

MAXIME BERNIER: Je me souviens.

TUCKER CARLSON: What does that mean?

MAXIME BERNIER: I remember.

TUCKER CARLSON: I remember exactly.

MAXIME BERNIER: Yeah, yeah. We need to remember.

TUCKER CARLSON: But you don’t remember. It seems like.

MAXIME BERNIER: No, we don’t.

The Tipping Point for Canada

TUCKER CARLSON: So last question. How does this… I mean, it does seem like any country, ours definitely included, reaches a tipping point with population where there are just too many people who have no roots in the country, that have different alien agendas, and it basically becomes unmanageable and there’s sort of no turning back. The country can never be what it was. You can’t make it great again. How far is Canada from that?

MAXIME BERNIER: I’m looking at UK right now. What’s happening there? And in France. We are not there, but we are near. Eight years ago, I said we need to have a maximum of 150,000 immigrants a year. And at that time, I was called a racist because I was speaking like that, but I was not.

And now I’m saying we need to have that moratorium because we had mass immigration. But if we don’t stop in 10 years, I told you, 1.97% of our population growth is coming from immigration. If we have that for two, three or five more years, more trouble will be on the street more often than they are right now.

So answering your question, Tucker, we are near. We are near that point where we may lose our country. And that’s why I’m saying, I want to save this country. And we, the People’s Party, are the only hope for this country. Let’s stop that mass immigration, have time to integrate all these people and we will be able to regain our country. But if we don’t do that, I’m scared. Scared for the future of our country.

TUCKER CARLSON: Well, your Canadian refugees are always welcome here. I mean it. I’m going to continue my defense of Canada as a really great…

MAXIME BERNIER: And you have nice weather here in Florida. I like cold weather.

TUCKER CARLSON: So I love Canada. Maxime, thank you very much. Thank you. I appreciate it.

MAXIME BERNIER: That was fun.

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