Joe Rogan Experience: #2416 with Dan Farah (Transcript)

They weren’t associated with each other and they were all saying the same thing.

And so I just don’t… the alternative to everything these people are saying in my film being true is that 34 people of different political parties, different government groups with different aspirations all got together four years ago and decided to tell this elaborate lie randomly with me in a movie. And for what end? It doesn’t make any sense.

JOE ROGAN: Well, there is a couple ends, right? One of them could be they’re being told to do this because this is a real thing, but it’s different than what they’re saying. And they’re trying to get one narrative out there.

Well, let’s imagine that there’s a current coordinated effort with the United States government and some sort of alien intelligence. Wouldn’t it behoove you to make it more of a mystery? Like we’ve been trying. We have found things, but we don’t know what they are. We’re back engineering, but we don’t know much. Meanwhile they know way more. Well, yeah, look, that’s just one scenario.

The Technology Race With China

DAN FARAH: That could be a scenario, but in this case, you have people who, like Rubio, who found out what’s going on, who think it is very urgent that the public get caught up and find out the base facts. His biggest fear clearly is we are in a high stakes technology race, a cold war race with adversarial nations like China to reverse engineer technology of non human origin.

And his fear, he literally says in the film, is that if we don’t get our act together and take this more seriously as a country, we’re going to wake up one day, we’re going to find out the hard way that China got there. We won’t know when or how, but to quote him, “We will be screwed.”

And you could feel it. I did all the interviews myself. I’m like this close to him. His chin buckled when he said it. He was dead serious and he was super concerned and you could feel it. And that was the vibe with Senator Rounds, Senator Gillibrand, Jim Clapper.

Guy’s never talked about this topic in his life. Is in his 80s. He was the head of Air Force intelligence. He was the Director of National Intelligence, never publicly spoken about UAP. He goes on, comes out and does the interview and he told me he was doing it because it was important to do and that the people needed to know.

And he drops the bomb in the film that UAP activity over Area 51 is real. It’s in fact real. And he goes on the record saying that the Air Force has had a program to investigate this stuff, whereas the Air Force is saying they haven’t had a program since Project Blue Book.

So I think the people that I interviewed really felt like a weight on their shoulders to get this off their chest and to give you more context on Clapper. The poor guy’s wife was in the hospital dying. He left the hospital to come do the interview. And I actually said to him, I was like, “Are you sure you want to do this today?” And he’s like, “No, I want to do it. It’s important.”

JOE ROGAN: Wow.

DAN FARAH: So I think I really felt it. These people all felt like the public needed to know the base facts that they could lawfully disclose. And to me, the more wild thing is if this is, if what they reveal in this film, the fact that there’s been an 80 year cover up of non human intelligent life, that we’re in a secret high stakes race with adversarial nations, if that’s what they can lawfully disclose…

JOE ROGAN: Dude.

DAN FARAH: What’s on the other side of that line? What’s the stuff they can’t disclose?

JOE ROGAN: Right.

DAN FARAH: You know? Yeah.

Personal Experiences With Non-Human Craft

JOE ROGAN: When you’re talking to these people, how many of them have had personal experiences that they either can or cannot talk about or how many of them has anyone had some sort of personal experience with either a craft or seen something?

DAN FARAH: Yeah, yeah.

JOE ROGAN: So that they couldn’t talk about, that they…

DAN FARAH: There were some scenarios that they couldn’t talk about and then there were some scenarios they could talk about. But yes, Jay Stratton, for example, who ran the U.S. government’s UAP task force, he was the director of UAP task force. He co-founded OSAPP with Jim McCaskey, which grew into AATIP.

He has seen with his own eyes non human craft and non human beings. Some situations that he can’t talk about, some situations that he can and I know he intends to talk about those in the very near future.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, I’ve talked to him. So is that the only one that saw a non human being that you talked to?

DAN FARAH: No. Talked to a couple people who have.

JOE ROGAN: And were they similar stories?

DAN FARAH: They were similar stories. They described the beings looking… the reference point they gave me was very similar to the beings depicted in Close Encounters. That is the description they used.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah.

The Vandenberg Air Force Base Incident

DAN FARAH: In terms of crafts, one of the interviews in the film that I’m really proud of, an Air Force security guard who worked at Vandenberg Air Force Base, who’s never gone public, witnessed with his own eyes, along with five other security forces members, a giant UAP the size of a football field that came over Vandenberg Air Force Base, hovered over them, and then shot off at thousands of miles an hour.

And he went on the record, on camera. He’s never talked about it publicly. He’s never pursued press or tried to do anything with this experience.

JOE ROGAN: Right.

DAN FARAH: And he broke his silence in this film because he thought it was really important that the world know the truth.

JOE ROGAN: Did you ask him if there’s any footage? I would imagine Vandenberg has some pretty tight security.

DAN FARAH: Yeah, he thinks that there is security camera footage of this, but he’s never seen it.

JOE ROGAN: He’s never seen it now. Good Lord. Him and five… it was him and five other guys saw it with their own eyes. They all reported it. There’s official Air Force police blotter reports of it. I got a hold of the police report. We put it on screen in the film.

JOE ROGAN: That’s what drives me crazy. All this could be cleared up if they released the whatever high resolution security camera footage they have. I would imagine they have top notch security camera footage around major military facilities.

DAN FARAH: Yeah, right. So that’s one of the hurdles we have to get past. We have to…

JOE ROGAN: These motherfers are holding on to… it’s just like if that shouldn’t be yours. That should be… the United States government has an obligation to give that to the people of the world. That’s what that should be. You have footage of a fing UFO. A real one?

DAN FARAH: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: And you really have a video of it going thousands of miles an hour, just disappearing into the sky?

The Reality of UFO Evidence

DAN FARAH: Yeah, 100%. I mean, I don’t think any government or organization or religion, anyone should be able to gatekeep these fundamental facts.

JOE ROGAN: I know, but the problem is until you see it, it’s just talk. If you saw it and you know the chain of custody, rather where it came from. It hasn’t been molested. Have analysts tested. It’s not AI. It’s not bullshit. It’s not edited. Okay, what is it? Yeah, and then we can talk.

But until then, what do we have? We have the go fast footage, we have the gimbal footage, and we have the very kind of grainy, weird TikTok footage. It’s hard to tell what it is because you’re looking at it from the instrumentation of the fighter jets.

DAN FARAH: Yeah. But there is also other data on the Tic Tac incident that’s classified. That shows this is a real object that was really there.

JOE ROGAN: Jamie showing me something. What are you showing me, Jimmy?

DAN FARAH: This is Ryan Graves talking about the big red UFO that hovered over Vandenberg in 2003. Yeah. So that happened in the afternoon, and then that night, this giant craft came over the base. That is revealed in my film.

JOE ROGAN: So it says right here, the executive director of the Graves, who’s been on the podcast for a while.

DAN FARAH: Yeah. Ryan Graves is awesome.

The Vandenberg Incident

JOE ROGAN: Sighting occurred around 8:45am followed by a second sighting only hours later. He said witnesses provided him with information about the mysterious incidents as they held onto official documentation and records from the event over the years.

DAN FARAH: Yeah. And so later that night, there was.

JOE ROGAN: Later in the evening post sunset. The reports of other sightings on base, including some aggressive behaviors. These objects were approaching some of the security guards at rapid speeds before darting off. Like close encounters. Literally, like the movie.

DAN FARAH: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: I just wonder how much Steven Spielberg. I’d love to talk to him about that. How much he dove into it before he made that film. Because, you know, he had the Jacques Vallee character, that French scientist.

DAN FARAH: I think he learned a lot in the 70s. People forget he also wrote Poltergeist. Right.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah.

DAN FARAH: This guy knew what was going on early on. But put yourself in the shoes of those security guards at Vandenberg. Can you imagine just being a normal guy? You’re working your security shift, you look up and there’s something the size of a football field over you, hovering, no windows. It’s f*ing terrifying. And it’s crazy.

And it changed. He says, we did a New York City premiere couple nights ago. Tuesday night, we did it on the Intrepid aircraft carrier.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, wow.

DAN FARAH: It was awesome. And Fravor and Graves came, which is great to be on an aircraft carrier with Fravor and Graves. That’s awesome. Fravor loved it. He’s like, I’m back on a carrier, baby. It was classic.

But the witness from Vandenberg came and we did a little talk after for the audience, and he said it changed his life. He just completely looks at everything differently.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, how could it not? How could it not. Yeah, I mean, if you see something.

DAN FARAH: Like that, totally humbling. And also, you know, eye opening. There’s several people in the film, military guys who talk about what they experienced and saw on military bases, especially nuclear bases. Which goes back to one of the biggest concerns.

The leaders in my film have almost all the activities over nuclear weapons sites and military bases. Our defense capabilities and our nuclear progress essentially are being monitored. And why is that?

Monitoring Nuclear Capabilities

JOE ROGAN: Because it’s dangerous as f*. Because as Terence McKenna described us, we’re territorial apes with thermonuclear weapons.

DAN FARAH: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: It’s a ridiculous position.

DAN FARAH: Yeah. And so that’s clear to me, too. And then you think about, okay, well, where does all this go? Comes to a crossroads, right? They’ve been here a long time. They’ve been monitoring us a long time, but now we’ve evolved to be dangerous.

And we’re either at, through secret programs, their level, or we’re about to be. And then that’s when you get to a crossroad. So I think that’s one of the things driving officials like Rubio and Rounds and Gillibrand and Jay Stratton to come out and say what they legally can, because it’s a set of circumstances that the human population really needs to know about.

And then it’s become a humanitarian issue. How do we deal with this? Right.

JOE ROGAN: And what is it, right? What is their purpose? If they are real, are they here to help us? Are they monitoring us? One of the creepiest things that Bob Lazar said is that they look at us like containers.

DAN FARAH: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: I mean, and I was like, what does that mean? Containers of souls is what I interpreted from it. But that’s just me. But what does that mean, containers?

It seems like human beings have an insatiable desire to innovate and create better technology. And that seems to be leading us into AI and seems to be leading us into probably what connects us with the rest of the universe, the rest of the intelligence of the universe.

But the stuff that got us here is being these territorial apes. You know, that’s why we developed cities and that’s why we developed agriculture. That’s why we had enough free time to innovate. We had enough free time to invent things and change things. But our nature is really what holds us back because we’re still constantly warring. It hasn’t changed at all.

DAN FARAH: No, it’s crazy that we’re still threatening nuclear war. Eighty years after, you know, dropping the bomb on Japan, we’re still invading sovereign nations.

JOE ROGAN: We’re involved in a proxy war, you know, we’re helping Israel. It’s like there’s so much chaos and death going on in the world because of human beings and the decisions that they’re making, that if I was an intelligent life species from somewhere else, I’d be very concerned.

DAN FARAH: Yeah, I’d be like, here’s this group of monkeys on a trajectory about to.

JOE ROGAN: Make a digital God. They’re real close to having super intelligence in digital form. And these idiots are still blowing themselves up from the sky.

Recovered Craft and Reverse Engineering

DAN FARAH: Which also is why one of the current dilemmas exists. So this technology exists. Private defense contractors have this technology. Elements of the government have this technology.

JOE ROGAN: You’re convinced?

DAN FARAH: Beyond, beyond convinced.

JOE ROGAN: And what do you think that technology consists of?

DAN FARAH: I have been completely convinced by multiple members of the intelligence community, the military, senior leaders in government, people who are running the Senate Armed Services Committee, the Senate Intelligence Committee, someone who sits on the White House National Security Council, that our country has recovered dozens, dozens of crashed craft of non-human origin and done so since the 40s.

And there has been success reverse engineering elements of this technology. And the same thing has been happening in China and Russia. And it’s a very real situation. It’s a high stakes situation. It is referred to as the atomic race on steroids. And I am completely convinced of that.

And the contractors, the defense contractors that people like Jay Stratton and Lou Elizondo and people on the Senate Intel Committee have told me are involved are Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon, Battelle. Big companies that have a lot of resources and are advancing this technology.

But it’s also classified and so deeply hidden that it hinders progress. And the fear that if this technology got out, it’d be used by bad actors to create weapons of mass destruction has sort of prevented the scientific progress that could be better for mankind, that could be good for mankind.

This technology, to quote Hal Puthoff in the film, he says this is the key to interstellar travel. This is the key to exploring the galaxy. This is the key to things that sound like science fiction, like teleportation, all these things that could just revolutionize humanity and the trajectory of our species are being held back out of the fear that the technology will be used for evil. Right.

And so, you know, I love Hal Puthoff. I got very close with him. And you know, he makes a great, fascinating guy. Fascinating guy. He’s the most interesting person I’ve ever met in my life.

He makes a great point in the film of saying he believes, despite the risks, this technology can be used for bad. He believes we should make it known and make it a humanitarian issue of how we all collectively go about safely using this technology to change the world for the better and avoid destruction.

And we’ve done that. We have a blueprint for that with nuclear technology. Right. There are nuclear weapons that’s less classified. We wish they didn’t exist. But it does exist. And then we also use nuclear energy for good.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. The question would be if we’re holding back because we’re worried that bad actors are going to get it. Is China taking the same approach? Because I would imagine they’re not.

DAN FARAH: They’re not.

JOE ROGAN: I would imagine they’re full bore, full steam ahead.

DAN FARAH: Yeah. And that’s one of the problems.

JOE ROGAN: That’s the same thing with a lot of other technology.

DAN FARAH: Right. Rubio and Rounds and Gillibrand, three of the most senior leaders in our government, talk very openly about their concern about China and them getting ahead of us on reverse engineering this technology. Rubio says it keeps them up at night.

Rounds very animatedly says in the film, do you think for one second that they wouldn’t use this technology for their domination if they didn’t think we had access to the same technology?

How Crashes Happen

JOE ROGAN: How is everybody getting these crashed UFOs? What’s the story behind that?

DAN FARAH: So here’s an interesting thing. One of the unexpected things I learned in talking to sources, real credible people, is that some of the crashes were actual crashes where just, you know, crashes happen just like they do for you can drive as safe as possible, fly as possible. Crashes are going to happen.

But some of them were actually caused by elements of our military intelligence community and elements of foreign military intelligence community people. So one of the realizations early on was that atomic weapon test, nuclear weapon testing, atomic weapon testing has a ripple effect.

JOE ROGAN: That can down these things, especially high altitude nuclear testing, which is one of the things that they did in the 1950s in particular.

DAN FARAH: Yeah. And so they started doing it.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah.

DAN FARAH: To shoot fish in a barrel, basically.

JOE ROGAN: They did it on purpose.

DAN FARAH: Yeah. And so did.

JOE ROGAN: That’s why they were doing it.

DAN FARAH: Yeah. And then Russia. Russia started doing it. Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: And then one of the, like throwing dynamite into the river. It’s like fish.

DAN FARAH: Dynamite.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. Fishing with dynamite. Oh, my God. And then so crazy.

DAN FARAH: Which is crazy on multiple levels. A, you could accidentally provoke a nuclear conflict with another party that doesn’t know what you’re doing. B, you’re, you know, you’re picking a fight with a more intelligent, superior species. Right. Which is probably not going to work out great for anybody.

JOE ROGAN: They probably couldn’t believe we were using nukes in the sky. These f*ing idiots nuked some of our spaceships.

DAN FARAH: And the ocean.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, we nuked the ocean a ton of times.

DAN FARAH: And there’s a ton of UAP activity in the ocean. Right.

Underwater UAP Activity

JOE ROGAN: That’s something that Tim Burchett recently talked about. Did you see that?

DAN FARAH: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I’ve talked off the record with admirals and sub commanders and been told that these giant football sized crafts that were seen over Vandenberg, for example, have been seen under the ocean.

JOE ROGAN: Whoa.

DAN FARAH: Moving at crazy speeds, tracked by our subs.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. They said there was one story of one that was the size of a football field that was going 500 knots underwater with no ripples.

DAN FARAH: Yeah. So it starts to make you think not only was Spielberg tipped off early on, but maybe James Cameron was too. Maybe the abyss is a lot closer to reality.

JOE ROGAN: Right.

DAN FARAH: Than we ever thought.

JOE ROGAN: Well, there’s always stories about things coming from the ocean and there was always stories of people that lived in the Pacific, on the coast of seeing things come out of the ocean. Particularly somewhere around San Diego.

Coordinated Contact Events

DAN FARAH: There’s always stories around there. Congressman Carson, Andre Carson, who’s on the House Intelligence Committee and on the House Committee for the CIA, he goes on the record in the film saying that these UAP that come out of the ocean are otherworldly things. He says they are not aircraft, they are not rockets. These are otherworldly things. He says.

And that’s a significant, that was a significant moment for me when he went on the record and said that. And I think it’s going back to the nuclear stuff. It’s scary to think that anyone thought it was a good idea to intentionally take down the aircraft of a more intelligent species. It seems like a very foolish decision.

JOE ROGAN: Well, if that’s true, I know that there was a lot of high altitude nuclear bomb testing for whatever reason, and then there was that Operation Starfish Prime, where they were blowing holes through the Van Allen radiation belts. They were just launching nuclear bombs into space.

DAN FARAH: Well, I’ll tell you something that I don’t think people know about. But the UAP task force which Jay Stratton ran, they put in place based on that data of the connection with nukes, they put together a plan to lure in UAP with nuclear elements. So nuclear aircraft carrier with some nuclear weapons on it, and they had all these data collection systems in place, and it worked.

JOE ROGAN: Whoa.

DAN FARAH: So they, like, put out bait without causing, without doing a test.

JOE ROGAN: Just the fact that they had nuclear…

DAN FARAH: Weapons and was being put into place, it attracted. And they caught a lot of data on it.

JOE ROGAN: Whoa.

DAN FARAH: And, you know, we shouldn’t think that that was the only time they did that.

Nuclear Testing and Its Consequences

JOE ROGAN: Well, I would imagine, you know, they probably saw the testing, the stupid s* we did in the ocean. The fact that, like, we were talking about this last night. John Wayne did a terrible movie called Genghis Khan. I don’t know if you ever saw it.

DAN FARAH: Yeah, I saw that.

JOE ROGAN: It’s one of the worst movies of all time. And that’s what killed him. That movie killed him. He got cancer from that movie. And so did almost like, I think it was like close to 100 people on the set. Some very large number of people on the set got cancer because they did this all downwind from where the government was detonating nuclear bombs. They filmed it all in Nevada, in the desert.

DAN FARAH: Horrible, horrible.

JOE ROGAN: So, like, they blew up. I’m sure you’ve seen the video of the, where it shows, like, a time lapse of all the nuclear tests over the years. And you just go, yuck. What are you doing? What are you doing in Nevada? Nevada? Just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

And if I was from another planet, I’d be like, that’s when I would start going, oh, my God, these idiots. Not only do they have it, but they’re just blowing them up in the ocean. No consideration for the fish, the whales, the dolphins, whatever the f* happens to be there when they drop that thing down. Like, they’re clearly irresponsible.

The Gorilla Analogy

DAN FARAH: Yeah. No, it’s concerning. An analogy that multiple people actually used with me. They said, put yourself in the shoes of advanced non-human intelligent species. Here’s the analogy.

Imagine you’re a zookeeper and you see this gorilla in a cage, and you love this gorilla. It’s sweet. You watch it evolve over the years. You see it communicate, it waves to you. You have no issue with this gorilla. You don’t wish it any harm.

But what happens if one day you come in and the other security guards say, “Hey, last night the gorilla got out of his cage and walked around the park, was playing with the gun cabinet, and they went back in his cage.” You’re like, all right, that’s concerning. Let me keep an eye on this. Right?

And then what happens if, you know, a month later you come in and they’re like, “Hey, the gorilla this time he got in the gun cage, he was playing with the gun, and then he went back in his cage with the gun. What do we do here?” Right.

JOE ROGAN: It’s even worse than that.

DAN FARAH: So it’s like we’ll take the gun out of his hand, we’ll put it back, we’ll change the lock and all stuff. Right? But then what happens if it evolves to a place where sometime later you come out of your house on a Sunday, you’re not even going to work, you got your daughter’s hand in your hand, and the gorilla’s standing on your front lawn with a shotgun.

Then you got to make a choice really quick, right? Like, do I just take this thing out or do I try to communicate with it and risk my daughter getting shot? And this analogy has been used with me multiple times to describe the dynamic we have with non-human intelligent life and the situation we’re barreling towards.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, it would almost feel like you went into the cage and the gorilla was welding.

DAN FARAH: The gorilla’s got goggles on, he’s making…

JOE ROGAN: A bore, he’s putting together a shotgun, he’s figuring out. Yeah, that would be the real issue. Oh, my God. They figured out guns. The thing is, we figured it out. It’s not like somebody gave it to us, you know.

Reverse Engineered Craft

DAN FARAH: Look, a couple of people in the film reveal that some of the UAP activity we see is non-human intelligent life, but some of it is reverse engineered craft from our program, the Legacy program, and some from adversaries.

So I personally think we have cracked this technology a lot more than people realize. I don’t think you spend over a trillion dollars and have thousands of people working on a deeply hidden program every year for 80 years and not make progress.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. God, I would love to know what it is that they’ve done and whether the Tic Tac is one of ours.

DAN FARAH: I don’t think it is.

JOE ROGAN: No.

DAN FARAH: No. I talked to everybody who ran, actually ran the investigation of Tic Tac from various agencies and to the pilots. No one thinks it’s man made.

And also, if it was man made, that would mean that someone cracked a new energy source that far back, which is like what, 20 years at this point, and has never used it to benefit our country or another country to solve the energy crisis, to make a superior craft that we’ve seen use.

It’s just, it’s just hard to believe that no one would use that to fuel their economy. I mean, it’d be a total, you know, restart of everything if you had that technology.

JOE ROGAN: Right, yeah. That’s interesting, right?

The Energy Requirements of the Tic Tac

DAN FARAH: I mean, the craft with that, that Tic Tac was going from sea level to 80,000 feet, which is space, and hovering in space, going back down, hovering at sea level and doing this for hours. We don’t have anything.

One of the scientists who was involved in one of the UAP programs for the government in my film does the math and says the energy required to do that is the electrical output of the entire United States for, you said a week, some stupid amount of energy required.

JOE ROGAN: I think it’s even more than a week. But yeah, I remember him saying that it’s bonkers. And that’s human technology trip up.

DAN FARAH: Yeah. And they were doing that all day.

JOE ROGAN: All day.

DAN FARAH: Yeah. It’s crazy. It’s crazy, right?

JOE ROGAN: If they had that in 2004, which is the Tic Tac incident, you would think there would be some just insane progress.

DAN FARAH: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: So if it’s not ours, what is the predominant theory of what they are?

Multiple Species

DAN FARAH: The predominant theory is that there are multiple species and there’s no one answer. Everyone I talk to who has real visibility to the Crash Retrieval Program says the non-human bodies that have been recovered in some of these crafts all look different. There are multiple species. The universe is full of life.

JOE ROGAN: How many different species?

DAN FARAH: I’ve heard of at least four body types that were recovered.

JOE ROGAN: So all I’ve heard of is the Grays, which is like the Close Encounters of the Third Kind ones, the Nordics, which is the, also known as like the tall whites. Right. The same thing. And then there is the Reptilians. People talk about Reptilians being the scariest one.

DAN FARAH: No one’s ever used that word with me, to be honest.

JOE ROGAN: Really?

DAN FARAH: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: And then there’s Mantis. There’s ones that are like insect-like.

DAN FARAH: I’ve heard people say that. Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: I haven’t heard of any more than that.

DAN FARAH: Yeah, well, I’ve also heard multiple military people talk about little beings that almost look like E.T., little bots that don’t seem sentient, that seem like they’re almost like…

JOE ROGAN: Like a robot?

DAN FARAH: Yeah, like a robot, almost. Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Some artificial creation maybe.

DAN FARAH: Yeah. Maybe.

JOE ROGAN: You would imagine if you get to genetic engineering and when there’s cyborgs and you integrate technology with this genetic engineering, you’re going to be able to create like workers. That’s what many people have thought the Grays are like. There’s small Grays that are more in like a workforce capacity. They just do the bidding of the taller grays, which seem to be more intelligent.

DAN FARAH: I’ve heard that, you know, one of the really interesting things is that there’s no one answer. Right?

JOE ROGAN: Right.

DAN FARAH: Some non-human intelligent life that’s here might have benign intentions and some might have bad intentions. Right. We don’t know.

The other reason I am extremely convinced that this situation is entirely real is the access I got when making the film was really at an unprecedented level. I got very close with the leadership of the Senate Intelligence Committee and the Senate Armed Services Committee. They were introducing me to people. They were opening doors for me.

And some of the people that I met through them were actually involved in recovery programs and were going to do interviews and then ultimately decided not to. And they thought it would cost them their lives.

Two people used the same words with me. Actually was very interesting. Two people used the words, “After careful consideration, I’ve decided I would be forfeiting my life if I participated on camera in your film.” The word forfeiting, which I had never heard anyone use in that kind of a context. Right.

So put yourself in my shoes. I’m a normal guy from Jersey making a movie about something I’m interested in. The last thing I want to hear is something like that, you know.

JOE ROGAN: That’s the most sure way to get people to keep secrets.

DAN FARAH: Oh, yeah. So I, of course, was like, that’s shocking and disappointing to hear. Obviously, we should stop talking.

JOE ROGAN: I don’t want you in this movie.

DAN FARAH: Do not want that on my conscious. But it also was another sign that how real all this is.

Off the Record Information

JOE ROGAN: Without naming any names, is there anything that you couldn’t talk about in the film that you could tell us without, like, quoting anybody or pinning it on anybody?

DAN FARAH: Yeah, I mean, there’s a lot of stuff I learned off the record. Hopefully it all comes out and people can legally talk about it at some point.

JOE ROGAN: But can you talk about it without…

DAN FARAH: I know there’s been multiple contact events, like coordinated contact, straight up contact events. One of them is revealed in the film, actually, but there are more.

There was this, several of the people I filmed talk about an event that happened at Holloman Air Force Base where two non-human crafts approached the base. One landed. Beings walked out and interacted with Air Force officials and CIA officials. And a couple people go on the record talking about that in the film. But there have been other events, I’ve been told.

JOE ROGAN: How are those beings described?

The Legacy Program and Non-Human Intelligence

DAN FARAH: They were described as tall, slender, humanoid. Another thing that I heard that gave me chills was that someone involved with a recovery interacted with a non-human being that was dying and heard thoughts in his head that said, “You humans don’t know your full potential.”

That was said to me by a very senior, older guy from the intelligence community, and I thought that was pretty incredible. Also, just the extent to which the Legacy program is real. This isn’t like 50 guys sitting in a quiet, dark room. You’re talking about a massive program with thousands of people going to work every day and dealing with this. And to me, that is mind blowing.

The guy next to you at the pizza place on a Saturday night might be working on this during the day. The other father at your kid’s Little League game, this is what he deals with. The fact that that is a thing. We had a similar dynamic for the Manhattan Project. There were always people working on it, and they kept it secret. Their neighbors and friends didn’t know, but this is that on steroids.

After the Manhattan Project, which had a budget in the billions, this situation arose and it had to be even more secret than the Manhattan Project, because the Manhattan Project, we found out in hindsight, leaked. There were moles.

JOE ROGAN: Right.

DAN FARAH: So we needed to make this even more secret and give it more money and more resources and more counterintel and more threats.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. I mean, threats if you reveal those secrets. But the more this stuff gets discussed, the more I go back to what Lazar said, because Lazar’s describing from the 1980s is exactly what these people are saying now. They’ve had these things. They’ve been trying to figure them out. They’ve been working on them.

At least in the 1980s, they hadn’t totally cracked it yet, but they did know how to operate them and that they would do these tests. But everything was so compartmentalized. He said he wasn’t allowed to talk to the metallurgist. There were different people that were assigned to it. What they were assigned to do was to try to figure out how the propulsion system worked.

And then there were other people that were assigned to try to figure out how the metallurgy was formed, because whatever it was seemed like it was 3D printed. It didn’t have any seams.

DAN FARAH: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: And when he talks about it, it sounds exactly like what people are talking about today, which is really bananas.

DAN FARAH: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Because this is late 1980s and he’s the first guy to crack through with this stuff.

Compartmentalization and Over-Classification

DAN FARAH: Yeah. Everything in that secret program is so siloed out where you could have one team of defense contractors working on one thing. They’re not even told it’s from an alien spacecraft. They’re just told, “Here’s the thing, it might be Russia, it might be China, tell us how it works.” And they’re just kept in a little bubble.

One of the issues now is that everything’s become so over-classified and so siloed that it’s actually hurting progress. And that’s a lot of what the scientists in my film are voicing.

One of the other things I learned recently that isn’t in the film: Jay Stratton, who ran the UFO task force, he told me that during that time he had started a talk with one of the senior scientists at Lockheed who was frustrated by how over-classified everything was. It even made it hard for the defense contractors to get the right manpower and brains on it because not everyone can be cleared to do the work. There’s all these red tape hurdles to progress.

And so they had made a plan to move one of the crafts that had been recovered that was in Lockheed’s possession into the possession of the UAP task force. And then the task force was going to be able to put more brain power towards it. And then the head of science and technology at the CIA shut it down in the middle of the transfer.

They had actually secured a hangar on a military base and prepped it to be a classified hangar that would hold this craft. And they were stopped.

JOE ROGAN: Did they know what happened after that?

DAN FARAH: Yeah, the CIA just shut the whole transaction down. And the craft stayed in Lockheed’s possession. And then that particular leader within Lockheed died about two years later, cancer. So the effort kind of stopped.

The over-classification is definitely a hurdle for this and our competitors don’t necessarily have that. In China, there’s no free will. Xi can just be like, “Hey, you’re the smartest guy graduating your class. You’re going to go work for the nation on this.”

Here the problem is no one knows it’s real. One of the things I hope the film changes is it makes the scientific community know that this is a valid area of inquiry, this is real, it’s a real situation. And there’s a ton of problems for the next generation of engineers and scientists to solve. So hopefully it inspires them and helps us make progress, because there’s a lot of progress that could be made here.

The Case for Amnesty

JOE ROGAN: Well, it certainly seems like it, but one of the things that you guys propose in the film that I think maybe the only way forward is some sort of a mass amnesty to all these people that did lie to Congress and probably misappropriated funds and maybe stolen a little bit here and there.

If that doesn’t happen, no one is going to push to make this public. No one’s going to push for actual full disclosure because it leaves them too exposed. And if they do have the kind of power that they must have to be running an organization of thousands of people working on something with unbelievable amounts of money being transferred to these programs, they don’t want to let that go.

DAN FARAH: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: This is a honey pot that they’re drawing from. And they’re probably still taking too much or there’s no oversight. You’re still lying to Congress. You’d have to have some national security amnesty program saying, “Look, in the interest of national security, it’s critically important that we get all of our best people working on this.”

The only way we’re ever really going to do that is to completely reveal that this is actual, this actually really happening. This is real crafts from somewhere or something. We have them. We’ll tell you where we have them.

And I think right now people wouldn’t even freak out, because I would think that people would freak out if there was some sort of official narrative of disclosure. But that’s sort of been breached. The New York Times breached that in 2017.

DAN FARAH: I think this film is that. I mean, this is four incredible people putting their reputation and name on the line, which I honestly, Joe, I think is stronger evidence than any video or photo these days. You could put a 4K video of a giant craft over Vandenberg and half the human population will say it’s AI or created in some visual effects program.

But someone of note putting their name and reputation on the line, their career on the line, the rest of their lives on the line to say this is what I know to be true, to me, that’s the greatest evidence that exists.

But I do think, to your point, amnesty is something that’s going to have to be figured out. Because while it’s hard for anyone to accept letting people off the hook for wrongdoings, it does seem like it’s in the best interest of the bigger picture, because these people just aren’t, they have no incentive to come forward with what they’ve learned.

And so, to quote Rubio in the film, he says, “Look, this is not an endeavor to go and punish anyone, but we need to know what they learned.” And I think he’s totally dead on.

JOE ROGAN: Is he in favor of some sort of an amnesty program as well?

DAN FARAH: Yeah, he says on camera in the film, “I’m not trying to punish anyone. I need to know what they learned because taxpayers paid for this and it’s in our interest to know what’s going on.”

But the other thing that’s needed is real whistleblower protection. Not the whistleblower protection that’s been passed so far, much stronger legal protection so that people like the Special Forces guys I talked to were going to come forward and then decided they thought they’d be forfeiting their lives. You’ve got to change that set of circumstances. You got to make those people feel like that’s not going to happen to them.

JOE ROGAN: Right.

DAN FARAH: And what I think ultimately is going to have to happen, and I wouldn’t be surprised, man, if it happens soon after the film comes out. I think a sitting president has to step to the microphone and say definitively, “Humanity’s not alone in the universe. We have recovered technology of non-human origin. So have other nations. There is a high stakes, secret cold war race to reverse engineer this technology. We need to win this race and the US intends to lead in this new chapter.”

I think that needs to happen, a level set of basic facts, and I really do think it will happen.

Trump and Potential Disclosure

JOE ROGAN: Well, if that is going to happen, I think Trump might be the only guy that’s willing to do something crazy.

DAN FARAH: I think it’s very likely that he does that. I know that he is aware of the film. I know he’s aware of what people in his administration say.

JOE ROGAN: Has he watched it?

DAN FARAH: He has not watched the film, but I know he’s very aware of it. And I know that they are discussing internally how they’re going to react to the film publicly. And I also know that he has recently, very recently, tasked Tulsi Gabbard with getting to the bottom of the situation and finding out for him what he needs to know that he doesn’t know.

JOE ROGAN: Really?

DAN FARAH: Yeah. And as Rubio said in the film, Rubio says on camera, on the record, on the film, that this has been kept from sitting presidents. And he goes into detail on how that’s been done and how it’s the career bureaucrats in certain elements of the government that control this information and just wait presidents out and don’t feel like they have a need to know.

JOE ROGAN: Right. Well, there were some people that tried to find information out in the beginning of the Trump administration. Who was it? There was someone that talked about it on record and said he was told at every turn that you don’t have the clearance.

DAN FARAH: Yeah, yeah, but here’s the thing. Trump actually found out about the base facts in his last presidency and was contemplating stepping to the microphone then.

JOE ROGAN: What base facts?

DAN FARAH: So Jay Stratton, who ran the task force, he says on camera in my film that Mnuchin, the Secretary of Treasury, asked for a briefing on the lay of the land because Trump asked him to get the briefing. And Trump had already known the base facts: that we’re not alone in the universe, that there’s been recovery of crash craft. He knew those base facts, and he told Mnuchin that he was thinking about going public.

And so Mnuchin reached out to Stratton to get a briefing, and he told Stratton that the reason he wanted the briefing is because he needed to be able to evaluate what the impact would be to the economy if the president decided to step to the mic and tell the world, “We’re not alone.”

Stratton tells the story on camera in the film, and I’ve heard a lot more about it off camera. So we know Trump contemplated doing this already. Now, I think the release of this film and Rubio’s involvement puts enough on the table that it makes it easier for him to do.

JOE ROGAN: I think they would have to have some sort of a plan in place if they were going to say that.

DAN FARAH: Right.

JOE ROGAN: The amnesty plan. The idea behind it would have to be in place if someone said, or…

DAN FARAH: At least grab control of the situation and say that this is real and the US intends to lead the way. Because the other factor that the White House has to keep in mind is you don’t want Xi or Putin being the guy to do that.

JOE ROGAN: Right.

DAN FARAH: You don’t want them to have that moment.

JOE ROGAN: Right, right.

The Space Race and Presidential Leadership

DAN FARAH: You know, something I always think about with regards to that moment of a president stepping to the mic. When we entered the space race, Kennedy gave that big, famous speech. He was like, we’re going to lead in space technology. Space technology, like nuclear technology, has no conscious of its own. It’s up to man to use it for good or bad. And we’re going to make sure it’s used for the betterment of all mankind and we’re going to lead the way.

That was this whole rallying speech, right? And it made the whole scientific community be like, we’re going to help, help us win. Like, you know, rah, rah, rah, right? I think that’s needed in this race. Like, we need all the support of the scientific community of academia, the kids coming out of MIT, we need them putting their brain power towards this. And I think the White House knows that. It’s also the greatest. That’s the greatest TV moment a leader could have in the history of humanity.

Elon Musk’s Knowledge

JOE ROGAN: How much do you think Elon knows?

DAN FARAH: Look, I’ve seen him obviously talk to you about it. I think he knows a lot.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, me too.

DAN FARAH: I don’t think you get the contracts and the clearances you need to operate in space without some horse trading.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, when I went to SpaceX, I’m like, motherfer, you know everything. There’s no way you’re launching these fing things into space without them keying you in on exactly what’s going on. He’s just sly about it.

DAN FARAH: Well, I do.

JOE ROGAN: Well, if they are aliens, they’re certainly all subtle. That’s what he says.

DAN FARAH: Like, are they really?

JOE ROGAN: I don’t know, man.

DAN FARAH: I think it’s impossible to operate in space like he does and not be aware of everything. And also at the level he operates, clearance wise. I held a secret screening at the National Space Symposium earlier this year, which is the Super Bowl of the space industry. It’s like 60 people, heavy hitters from the space industry. We didn’t promote it or publicize it at all, but there were a dozen guys from SpaceX there and they all seem very aware of everything revealed in the film.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, I’m positive. Yeah, he’s my friend and he won’t tell me.

DAN FARAH: He’s a legend.

JOE ROGAN: He puts a lid on it.

DAN FARAH: He’s a legend.

JOE ROGAN: But how would he not know if it is? And you know, some people have told me he knows that, that know he knows some things, so whatever. But the point is people are good at keeping secrets. That’s real, 100%. Even people that aren’t notoriously good at keeping secrets are good at keeping secrets when they have to be.

Trump and Disclosure

DAN FARAH: Do you think if you put yourself, you’ve interviewed Trump, do you see him doing that? Stepping to the mic and telling us the truth.

JOE ROGAN: Someone talks to him about it and convinces him it’s a great idea. Like, if I had an hour with him.

DAN FARAH: I mean, it’s literally the single greatest moment a leader could have, well, in the history of the world.

JOE ROGAN: If he could be the guy that blows the lid off of it, that would definitely help with his legacy, too, which I think would be a good way to convince him, you know, and also that the people would be excited about it. Yeah, you know, it’s just. I think there’s probably a lot of forces that we’re not totally aware of that would fight very hard to keep this from being revealed.

You know, there’s a lot of people whose reputations would probably be in jeopardy. A lot of people that may never get trusted again, even if they get amnesty, if there’s any evidence of impropriety, any evidence of embezzlement, which I can’t imagine. There’s not some fing funny money flying around here and there. And it just. No oversight. Come on, guys. Like, oh, you’re above board. Totally. With no oversight at all. And a trillion dollars. F off.

DAN FARAH: Yeah, Yeah. I mean, I do think I’ve come to understand that he is borderline enraged at how much has been hidden from the White House. So that alone might motivate him to just step up and say the truth. It’s also the most bipartisan issue of our time. So I’ll talk to him about it, have support. Yeah, you can.

JOE ROGAN: I’ll give it a crack about it. There’s so many other things to talk about.

DAN FARAH: You get a Nobel Peace Prize for that, too.

JOE ROGAN: No, I don’t want one of those. I’ll never show up.

DAN FARAH: Give it to me.

JOE ROGAN: Can have an empty stage.

The Impact of Disclosure

DAN FARAH: You know, I think I really. I’m excited to see what happens on the other side of this release, because I think it’s going to awaken the public. I do think they’re going to make a ton of demand on elected leaders and representatives to go take this more seriously. And it’s going to put pressure on the White House.

People have never seen someone like Rubio step up and say what he says in the film. You know, the other thing about Rubio, you got to remember he’s also the National Security Advisor, and that’s never happened in the history of the United States other than Henry Kissinger for two years. This guy’s in a very powerful position, very influential position, and aware of a lot more than he was even when he was on the Senate Intelligence Committee as a senator.

JOE ROGAN: Interesting and also motivated and fascinated by it. So he’s engaged in the information.

DAN FARAH: Totally. What do you find? Like, what do you think? If you could choose what happens after a movie like this comes out? What would you like to say?

The Case for Amnesty

JOE ROGAN: Some mass congressional hearings and a real conversation about amnesty. Because I think it’s the only way to get to the bottom of things. Because otherwise I think you’re going to have every f*ing possible legal and hierarchical, whatever the word is.

DAN FARAH: Hurdle.

JOE ROGAN: Like, at every step, everyone’s going to block your access to information. They’re going to lie, they’re going to burn records, they’re going to hide things. They’re not going to tell you where anything is. People will get assassinated. They’ll be whistleblowers. They’ll be in grave danger.

I think there’s too much money involved. And you got to think about it like a criminal organization, because if you turn them into criminals, they’re going to act like criminals. If you say, hey, you might go to jail for the rest of your f*ing life because you lied to Congress. And now we know you did. And you know, there’s $250 million that your company got and $300 million this company got over the course of X amount of years. And we know, we know that you got. You’re in trouble. Like, we’re going to put you in jail.

And then if that. If you make them criminals, they’re going to act like criminals. I think you’re dealing with people that have enormous amounts of money and probably they make weapons. They probably don’t have the most respect for life. You know, if there’s a real discussion where it makes it look like it’s their idea as well.

DAN FARAH: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: That they have this obligation to the American people. They were held under secrecy for so long, but now through this administration and through this openness that we’ve all decided through the scientific community, we’re going to release this shit.

DAN FARAH: No, I think I agree with you. And that could change the world. The other thing to remember is these aren’t villains. They’re not like, this isn’t some dark group of evil people. They’re normal people that were given a job to do and then did it. Right. And they weren’t the decision makers. And they’re navigating a situation that is unprecedented. There’s no playbook for. Right. So they think they’re doing the right thing. Right. And I think that’s important to remember. You know, do you know the Puthoff thing? It’s in your documentary with the Bush story. Bush Senior. He talked about it on the podcast. That is such a fascinating story.

The Bush Panel and Missed Opportunities

JOE ROGAN: Back then, early.

DAN FARAH: Right after 9/11.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. Herbert Walker Bush. No, it was Herbert Walker, I believe.

DAN FARAH: No, the panel was. The panel was.

JOE ROGAN: It was George Bush Jr. It was W. Yeah. Oh, I thought it was Bush Senior.

DAN FARAH: Yeah. No, it was right after. Right after 9/11.

JOE ROGAN: Okay. So during that time. So I’m confused. So. But imagine. So let’s imagine 2001. Where would we be 24 years later if we had real disclosure from the White House?

So for people who didn’t see the documentary yet or watch the podcast with me and Hal Puthoff, what he said was it was him and a bunch of other thought leaders, and they were all brought together with a numerical value for pros and cons related to disclosure.

So basically, they said to them, we have acquired crafts that are not of this world, and we have biological entities that are not of this world. These are real. We want to know, if we disclose to the general public that alien life is real, what would be the negative impacts on our society, on our government, on our religion, economy, every element of society? And they put a numerical value to everything. And overwhelmingly, all the people asked had way more con than pro.

DAN FARAH: Yeah. They determined it was a bad idea.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. Which is so wild. Well, there was a think tank over.

DAN FARAH: A couple days where a bunch of people got together and decided the fate of humanity.

JOE ROGAN: Isn’t that fascinating?

DAN FARAH: It’s crazy.

JOE ROGAN: The fate. Well, at least I don’t think really the fate. I think what it did was just retard everything. It just slowed the growth of access to this. And I really give the New York Times a lot of credit because I think publishing in 2017, that piece that they did on the front page was so huge because the New York Times is arguably the most respected newspaper in the world.

And for them to address it, like, it’s a real issue. And like, these pilots are seeing these things. They’re behaving in ways that don’t make any sense with propulsion that we do not understand. And these are real.

DAN FARAH: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: And this is New York Times. Like that. That was. So many people texted me after that and called me after that because they know that I’m a UFO nut.

DAN FARAH: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: And they’re like, hey, man, this might be real. Like serious people that I’m friends with.

DAN FARAH: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: And I’m like, I think it’s real. There’s something there.

The New York Times Article’s Impact

DAN FARAH: Yeah. And it helped us get us where we are now. Yes. I don’t think the mainstream media support I’m getting for this film right now, I don’t think it would have happened if it wasn’t for that.

JOE ROGAN: No, I think the Times article was the. That burst the membrane and allowed more data to come. It’s just more rational discourse about it. Because I think before then it was just so dismissed and so ridiculed and you just didn’t want to be attached to it because you were a fool. You have to be a fool to be considering it.

DAN FARAH: But the Times still is one of those legacy media outlets that still hedges their bets. Like that article, you know, the original headline, I think was “We’re Not Alone in the Universe.” And they changed it to, you know, I think it was like black projects and hidden money or something like that. You know, they had to dial it down.

JOE ROGAN: Well. Because they don’t know, right. We might not be alone in the universe. These things might be China’s. It’s not likely.

The China Question

DAN FARAH: Well, that’s the other thing. If it. If we open ourselves to the possibility that these advanced aircraft penetrating our nuclear weapons sites and our military bases are China, that’s f*ing terrifying. And that should be the biggest issue of our time, hands down, because we know the intention of the Chinese Communist Party. It’s not good, right? They’re not our friends, they’re adversaries.

And, you know, Xi has made public statements about wanting to replace the United States at the top of the world order. Like it’s a stated goal. Right? So if it is China, even the possibility that they have some of these crafts alongside, not human crafts existing, right?

JOE ROGAN: Yes.

The Race Against China

DAN FARAH: Even that possibility, it requires the US Government to take this so much more serious. Here’s an analogy that General Jim Clapper made to me. You know, he was the Director of National Intelligence. He’s in the film.

He’s like, before 9/11, we didn’t put the right amount of money towards counterterrorism, and we weren’t properly sharing information in the intelligence community. Then this horrible thing happened and the public was outraged and said, we got to throw money and resources at counterterrorism. Every elected representative was beating that drum.

And we started the Director of National Intelligence position so that the agencies would all share information and you would minimize the chance of intelligence gaps. Right? And we threw tons of appropriated funds towards counterterrorism. We now spend more money on counterterrorism than we even need to.

And his point was he hopes it doesn’t take something bad happening on this front, like China cracking this technology in a way we haven’t, and then using it against us or non-human intelligent life taking an action that isn’t favorable to us before we then throw resources towards it. And it’s essentially the same thing. Rubio said they think we need to get ahead of this problem, not wait for it to happen and then react to it.

JOE ROGAN: Well, of course, I mean it would be a horrible loss both in terms of our national pride of being the innovators and being at the head of technology. If China came out and said we’ve cracked this, we have UFOs that we back engineered and now we can fly them around and we can go visit other solar systems and we’ve created a new energy source, we’re going to save the planet.

DAN FARAH: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: We would look like fools. Yeah. If we realized that there had been a bunch of people that were working on this stuff the whole time, but they had been handcuffed by all the secrecy and that this had all been done with defense contractors and lying to Congress, it’d be a f*ing national disaster. We would look completely incompetent.

DAN FARAH: I really legitimately think a lot of the people in my film stepped up because they don’t want to be left holding the bag and have people saying why didn’t you say something sooner?

JOE ROGAN: Right.

DAN FARAH: I really think this is because it’s that close. Cover your butt because it’s that close.

Reverse Engineered Technology

JOE ROGAN: So when people talk about the successful back engineering of these things, what are they saying? Are they saying that they can fly around Earth? Are they saying they can go outside of Earth’s atmosphere and go into deep space with these things? Like what have they said we are currently able to do with these back engineered crafts that we’ve supposedly?

DAN FARAH: People that I can attribute the statement to that were very credible sources told me that some of the UAP activity in space specifically is reverse engineered technology.

JOE ROGAN: Does that mean in space, in low Earth orbit or does that mean traveling through the solar system?

DAN FARAH: What was implied to me was traveling through the solar system.

JOE ROGAN: Jeez. Yeah, so are these…

DAN FARAH: Here’s another thing someone, that same person said to me, by the way.

JOE ROGAN: Yes.

DAN FARAH: Before I forget, that their belief is that the technology we have would not be pulled out even to stop a world war. It would not. Those cards would not be shown until moments before, like a nuclear war situation.

So they wouldn’t pull it out to stop any of the wars we’ve experienced in the last, you know, since World War II. They wouldn’t, you know, regardless of how many…

JOE ROGAN: It has to get to nine.

DAN FARAH: It has to get to a level where there’s no… Yeah. There’s no other option. Wow. Because it’s show your cards.

JOE ROGAN: Now, when they say that they’ve traveled through the solar system, is this biological human beings or are these drone crafts? Like, what are they saying?

DAN FARAH: I never got any of that. I never got any of that. All I was told is there’s some of the UAPs that are seen, that have been seen by our astronauts on space missions are non-human intelligent life and some are reverse engineered craft. That’s what I was told.

JOE ROGAN: But we don’t know whether there’s a person inside of them, if they are reverse engineered and they are ours and we figured out how to make our own.

DAN FARAH: I don’t know.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, I need to know that.

DAN FARAH: Yeah, that’s kind of important. Yeah, there’s a lot.

JOE ROGAN: Is there f*ing some dude named Bob flying through space, some Top Gun guy that they’ve given the task of traveling to Venus real quick?

Strategic Surprise and Human History

DAN FARAH: Wouldn’t surprise me. You know, one of the other things that we were talking about, Clapper and Rubio and what they said about China, something else that they both said, despite these guys being completely ideologically opposed. Right. Like they have nothing else in common, they both spoke to how we as a species, not just our country, but entire human species, is held back by this.

There’s something, the fact that there’s something in the human psyche that says I can’t prepare for or wrap my head around something I haven’t experienced yet. And how that leads to strategic surprise, because you’re not preparing for something that can ultimately end up happening.

And Rubio makes great examples. He says, we didn’t think that Japanese could torpedo us at Pearl Harbor till they figured it out. And they did. Right. We didn’t think that terrorists were going to come here and learn how to fly commercial airplanes and use them in a terror attack until they did.

And with this he’s like, we don’t want strategic surprise to lead to a disaster on this front. We need to be ahead of it. And he very powerfully says that often strategic surprise changes the course of human history.

JOE ROGAN: So this is the question. If we have craft that we can travel through the solar system, we meaning someone in the United States of America. Does China, do they have the same ability right now? Is there an understanding of where they’re at in the race versus us?

DAN FARAH: Everyone who talked about the race with China was extremely concerned about how close they were. And multiple people talked about how these incursions over our sensitive bases and nukes could in fact be reverse engineered Chinese craft.

So it is a scary situation. I mean, look, you can ask the average person the common sense question, knowing what you know about the dynamic between China and the United States, would you be okay if they were the only country that had a nuclear weapon? The answer is no. Right?

So would you want them to be the only country that has technology more powerful than a nuclear weapon, that could be weaponized in a way that’s more destructive than a nuclear weapon?

JOE ROGAN: No, but what technology do they have other than the ability to travel, what other observed technology do they have to use?

DAN FARAH: Well, if you, this technology, like, let’s just take something like the Tic Tac. Imagine you could travel, take something like that anywhere in the world and put a nuclear weapon in there.

JOE ROGAN: Right. You would instantaneously, you would have a nuclear weapon that goes off in less than a second on the other side of the world.

DAN FARAH: Completely undetectable to any sensor system. You can’t react to it. You know, bad news. Also, these vehicles display the ability to be trans-medium. So you could put a nuke through any environment. It’s very scary.

Trans-Medium Capabilities

JOE ROGAN: Well, so trans-medium, does that mean, I know that it can go in the air and in the water, but does that mean it can go through actual physical objects?

DAN FARAH: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: So this is one of the things and one of the crazier Jacques Vallee stories that I’ve read, a few of his books and one of the more bizarre ones. This woman found this object on her property, some large property. I want to say it’s Nevada, I forget where it was. California, Nevada.

But anyway, in this egg shaped large object and that as it took off, it flew through the trees. She said it didn’t disturb the trees, it just went right through them.

DAN FARAH: Yeah, so that’s, I mean, look, one…

JOE ROGAN: One of those, one of those.

DAN FARAH: If you remember in the film, there’s this great scene where Hal Puthoff and Eric Davis were two of the senior scientists involved with the government UAP programs. They break down how they figured out how these craft work and how they are warping space-time in a localized area.

And they’re basically creating a bubble that the craft operates in. And the bubble separates the craft from the environment around it. The environment becomes irrelevant. So it can move through physical space, could move from air to space to the water. Frictionless, there’s no splash.

Like the environment outside the bubble is irrelevant. They’re creating their own space-time. Essentially they’re warping space-time and creating a bubble around the craft. And when you start to think about how that could be weaponized, it’s really terrifying.

Zero Point Energy and Quantum Entanglement

JOE ROGAN: And what is he saying that they’re using? Like how are they…

DAN FARAH: He’s saying that they’re creating an immense amount of energy in this localized area to create the bubble. And there’s two prevailing thoughts on how that energy is created.

One is they’re tapping into so-called zero point energy, which has only been theorized at this point by humans. Right. Or they’re using quantum entanglement to pull energy from a far off source to the local area, the bubble. And that’s what they figured out.

JOE ROGAN: And do they have any knowledge of these generators or how they’re acquiring this amount of power, what they’re using? How are they harnessing zero point energy?

DAN FARAH: No, no, no.

JOE ROGAN: But if we’ve got one and we back engineered it successfully, clearly someone must know. Yeah, so someone knows.

DAN FARAH: Look, Hal and Eric got very close with the scientists on the Legacy program and were sharing information and that got shut down by the CIA. So before it got shut down, they learned a lot about what we’ve been doing secretly and what we’ve been figuring out.

JOE ROGAN: Geez, so it’s the f*ing CIA.

The Legacy Program Structure

DAN FARAH: Well, look, the film reveals that the Legacy Program, the craft retrieval reverse engineering program, it has several elements. It’s elements of the Air Force, it’s elements of the Department of Energy, it’s elements of the CIA and its defense contractors. And the CIA is the quarterback of the whole thing.

The Air Force is used for recovery, like field work, essentially. They have teams that can react fast and go to a site and collect materials and classify it. And they have the aircraft to bring it back to a base. The defense contractors have the technology know-how and the engineering skills to do the reverse engineering.

The Department of Energy has laws that can be used to classify the material outside of the President’s reach and Congress’s reach. They also have people who are experts at anything that gives off a lot of radiation and energy. And then the CIA quarterbacks the whole thing. Think of them as like operational control.

And this is revealed by a number of people in the film. And every single source I talked to, there were a lot of people, Joe, that I talked to in very senior positions that thought the film was important and the only way to bring the truth out to the public. But they couldn’t be on camera.

And they guided me, filled in gaps for me, helped me understand the lay of the land. There were some people that told me not to interview. There was a couple mole. There was a couple people that were sent to me. People wanted to trick me into including them in the film, really, because they were crazy people, and I didn’t include them. I got tipped off by people. Don’t stay clear of that. That’s someone’s agenda, trying to sink your ship.

But I had a lot of folks helping. The Senate Intelligence Committee and the Senate Armed Services Committee were extremely supportive. And I really don’t think I would have been able to pull off making the film I did if not for their help.

And Rubio, when I started my process, was the vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, and he had already learned a lot about what has been hidden from Congress and thought that what I was doing was really the only way to bring it out. Because none of these people on their own would go out on a limb by themselves and become subject to ridicule. They didn’t want to be the one guy out there saying all this extraordinary stuff.

Not only because there’s this antiquated cultural stigma where they could be made fun of or their reputation can be damaged, but there’s also this security system around the deeply hidden Crash Retrieval program that for years has just targeted anyone who speaks up.

And so what I basically put together was a way for them to safely do it and have strength in numbers and be arm in arm with several others and other people. And once Rubio leaned into that, I just started getting tremendous support from the Armed Service Committee and the Intelligence Committee. And then Senator Rounds became very helpful behind the scenes.

Intelligence officials who work this topic, like Jay Stratton and Lou Elizondo and Hal Puthoff were extremely helpful behind the scenes, opening doors, introducing me to people. And yeah, I think this is really the only way we were going to get this level of information out by giving people that safety in numbers.

And then after this, it’s going to require the kind of amnesty we talked about, because this is only what they can lawfully disclose. There’s so much more.

Underwater Bases and Ocean Activity

JOE ROGAN: So when it comes to underwater stuff, this is what Tim Burchett was talking about when that person was famously interviewing him. And everybody was like, what? You’re just walking across the street casually talking about bases where they’re coming out of the ocean.

DAN FARAH: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: What do they think that is? Is that different from what’s going on in the sky?

DAN FARAH: They think it’s the same craft.

JOE ROGAN: So they have a base.

DAN FARAH: More simply put, if you were here with advanced aircraft and you wanted to hide from humanity, the most logical place is the ocean. It’s the majority of our planet. We’ve barely studied it. One of the admirals in my film says we’ve scanned the surface of the moon in more detail than we have the bottom of our oceans.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah.

DAN FARAH: It’s crazy how much is unexplored. And so it’s the most obvious place to hide. There’s a lot of activity that happens in the oceans.

One of the people I talked to thought they would be in the film and then decided it was too risky for them. Was a Special Forces guy who was involved in a recovery of a craft that was in the ocean. And when they were recovering it, a giant craft came up next to them, like a functioning craft. And the helicopter pulled out and they dropped the line, and the helicopter took off, and the seal was in the water and watched this thing take off. And then he had to be recovered out of the water. That’s crazy.

JOE ROGAN: And the craft that they were trying to recover went down. And did the big ship take it or anything?

DAN FARAH: They said actually, they actually literally said that. They said it took it and went back down.

JOE ROGAN: Yo.

DAN FARAH: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: How big was the big one?

DAN FARAH: They said it was big.

JOE ROGAN: Just big.

DAN FARAH: That’s the only word they used, to be honest. Yeah. And the guy was rattled because the guy was in the water. The seal was in the water hooking a line to this craft. And then when the helicopter pulled out, he said he was in the water just shitting his pants and taking in this extraordinary experience.

JOE ROGAN: Was he wearing a vest?

DAN FARAH: I’m sure he was wearing.

JOE ROGAN: He’s like frogman out doggy paddling. Leave him there. These guys panic and pull out. Maybe the UFO would have let you take it.

DAN FARAH: All these situations are really bonkers.

JOE ROGAN: I wonder what would happen if they were like, f* you, we’re taking it.

Biological Effects and Health Consequences

DAN FARAH: What I often wonder is if any of the guys on that chopper snap video of this thing. There’s a lot of video that exists that is either classified at a crazy high level or people are just terrified to share. And that’s one of the other things.

We need a declassification process that’s real and sincere and rigorously goes through what’s there and what can be showed that won’t hurt our national security. And just start being transparent with the public.

This encounter of the seal reminded me of another thing that I think is really important and speaks to the accountability issue. So there’s a number of military personnel and scientists that have worked for defense contractors who have had, and intelligence officials who have had encounters and then end up with biological effects, like real issues, cancer, autoimmune issues.

A number of people have died, cancer after being around these things. And that’s a whole other level of accountability. There’s people whose medical bills should have been paid for. They shouldn’t have been put in those situations. There’s families growing up without a dad because dad encountered a UFO on behalf of the US Government and died.

JOE ROGAN: Jesus.

DAN FARAH: So that’s a whole other side of this.

JOE ROGAN: Them getting cancer from being around the object or being around biologics or both?

DAN FARAH: The object, because these, once you understand that these craft are warping space time in a localized area and creating immense amount of energy, getting close to it’s like getting close to a huge electrical system or it’s just bad.

JOE ROGAN: That’s the Travis Walton story.

DAN FARAH: It’s a lot of stories.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. Travis Walton in particular. That’s what he said happened. He got close to the object and something zapped him. And whether it was an actual targeted attack or whether it was just something, a reaction to him being so close to this energy that he was thrown back, knocked unconscious, gravely hurt, and that they took off.

DAN FARAH: Yeah, I’ve spoken off the record to some intelligence officials who have managed to actually get the government to take accountability and give them anonymous health injury status, AHI status, which has only gone to victims of “Havana Syndrome.”

And it’s a real situation, but not everyone has the relationships or the ability to get escalated to the Secretary of Defense and get that AHI status. The Secretary of Defense has to give you the AHI status.

JOE ROGAN: This is going to sound crazy, but is there a particular protocol for dealing with the kind of cancer that you get from getting in contact with a UFO?

DAN FARAH: The only thing that I know of, I wouldn’t call it a protocol, but I do know that there is a couple specific people, doctors, who have become a part of the intelligence communities looking into this, and they’ve become the go-to doctors for people having biological effects.

And if you have a relationship with them, if you can get to them, they show up pretty quickly and do the appropriate tests and documentation of it and have the right doctors to send you to. Gary Nolan, who you interviewed, is one of those people.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, Gary Nolan, who’s done some groundbreaking research on cancer.

DAN FARAH: Yeah. Gary, the other guy, I shouldn’t say his name, but he used to work for one of the big intelligence agencies that’s deeply involved in this.

Materials Research and Directed Energy Weapons

JOE ROGAN: The other thing that Gary has that’s really fascinating is the research on materials. Like some of the allegedly retrieved materials from crash sites and how bizarre they are.

DAN FARAH: Yeah. From studying the isotopes, the stuff that Gary’s gotten into that I find the most mind blowing is he has real classified documentation of encounters that military and intelligence officials have had with UAP and biological effects it’s caused. And some of them are crazy.

Like a Department of Defense official who had a UAP above his house and went out in his backyard and looked up at it, and then the thing zapped him with a directed energy weapon. And he has all of the medical signs of a directed energy attack. And this is a super senior credible guy who had recently been made aware of the UAP issue. And then he has this experience. Yeah, it’s pretty wild.

JOE ROGAN: So what are the effects of a direct energy weapon? Like what are the consequences?

DAN FARAH: Cancer.

JOE ROGAN: That’s what he’s getting. Cancer.

DAN FARAH: Yeah. Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Do you know about the Varginha Brazil story? Do you know about the James Fox documentary?

DAN FARAH: Yeah, James. I’m excited to see James.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. He’s got a new one.

DAN FARAH: Yeah, yeah.

JOE ROGAN: He’s got a follow up with, I think it’s the actual doctor that worked with the patient.

DAN FARAH: He was at the hospital that night and interacted with the being. Yeah, I’m excited to see that.

JOE ROGAN: So the story is that this police officer, that they found this crash and the documentary is excellent. If you haven’t seen that, folks, it’s called “Moment of Contact.” It’s really good. And one of the things that’s really good about it is the eyewitnesses.

When the eyewitnesses return to the scene of the crash, I was like, either that guy is an amazing actor.

DAN FARAH: No, it’s great.

JOE ROGAN: Or he’s really crying because he’s remembering this insane moment in his life.

DAN FARAH: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: And there was eyewitnesses that saw alive one of these things. And this police officer found one that was injured, carried it, put it in the car, physically carried it, they brought it to a hospital. That hospital told them, we don’t know what to do with this. You got to take it somewhere else. They took it to a second hospital. And the second hospital, this is the doctor allegedly that examined it.

DAN FARAH: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: That police officer had a horrific bacterial infection that they could not cure and he died within weeks.

DAN FARAH: It’s horrible. Yeah, it’s horrible. There’s so many examples of these interactions going bad. But it’s also, imagine you didn’t know what a fighter jet was and there was giant flame coming out of the back of it. And you walk behind it, you’re going to be toast. I don’t think it’s an intentional thing. I think we’re interacting with a technology we don’t understand.

JOE ROGAN: And you’re getting too close to it.

DAN FARAH: Yeah, we’re getting too close to it.

JOE ROGAN: Don’t go walk up to it. If it’s floating in the air, that means it’s got an insane amount of power that’s carrying this f*ing 2,000 ton thing.

DAN FARAH: The other crazy story that was in James Fox’s movie the Phenomenon, which he directed. He’s totally responsible for making that movie. I was a producer on it with him. But it’s all James, James 100% made that movie.

One of the coolest stories in that film was the Ariel School phenomenon story at the end. These kids in Zimbabwe at a school in 1994, around that time. These kids, between the ages of 7 and 13 or something like that, they all saw this craft come down during their recess and they all say they experienced the same thing. They all saw these beings that looked like they were moving in slow motion around the craft. And they saw this craft take off at thousands of miles an hour.

Years later, they’re all saying the same thing. Their stories didn’t change. They didn’t try to make money off this at all. It’s a wild story. But now when you look back at that story through what guys like Hal and Eric are revealing about the warp bubble, do you know what would make someone look like they’re moving slow if they were inside of a warp bubble next to the craft where time and space is moving differently than outside the craft?

That’s literally what it would do for the same reasons why the craft in the bubble could just be cruising along. But to us it looks like it’s going at these impossible speeds. You’re in a different space-time environment. So all these things that people saw at Ariel, in Brazil, they get explained by these reveals that are starting to come out now. And that’s, to me, that’s wild seeing how these things all connect.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, it is crazy. And it’s essentially this description of the way these propulsion systems work is essentially the exact same way Lazar was describing it. Which is really nuts that in 1989 he was proposing that there’s some sort of a gravity defying device.

DAN FARAH: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: And that it was using element 115 and then it was radiated and somehow or another suspension creating this gravity drive that just sends it to wherever it wants to be, rather than propels it.

DAN FARAH: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: The way he described it is like if you took a bowling ball and you put it in a very soft cushion, it would just push through and then that’s what these things do. It just pushes through to wherever it’s supposed to be.

DAN FARAH: Yeah, similar. The other explanation is like a ball rolling downhill, like a surfboard pointed down, riding a wave.

Underwater UAP Activity

JOE ROGAN: When did they first start to become aware of underwater activity? And when did they first start to suspect that these things were in fact having at least some sort of a base underneath the ocean?

DAN FARAH: I don’t know the exact first, but I do know from people I’ve talked to that as far back as the 80s.

JOE ROGAN: Wow.

DAN FARAH: Yeah. Which is incredible.

JOE ROGAN: Well, the crazy thing is that they’ve really been studying this stuff and retrieving things back from Roswell, which was 1947. They’ve really been doing this stuff for that long. It’s kind of crazy that they were able to actually keep a lid on it for so long.

DAN FARAH: I mean, it’s not that crazy when your life’s being threatened.

JOE ROGAN: And it’s kind of got a lid on it, right? Kind of. But not really. I mean, as we all know about Roswell.

The Tipping Point

DAN FARAH: Yeah, there’s been people leaking over the years information, but I think now we’re at a tipping point where I really believe the release of this film is the singular tipping point, where you have this many credible, high level people saying, yes, this is real.

I mean, even Clapper going on the record saying that UAP activity over Area 51 is real. The biggest conspiracy globally that there’s UFOs over Area 51, that 90% of humanity has written off as bullshit. Here’s the guy who was Director of National Intelligence, the head of Air Force Intelligence, saying, no, that’s real.

So I think the tipping point and Rubio going on the record, second most powerful guy in the world, arguably saying that the presidents are kept out of the loop on this and that defense contractors have taken this over and that even he says that every now and then advancements made get slipped into commercialized product that some defense contractors make a bunch of money on for their own best interest, not for the benefit of the nation and national security.

These are bombs dropped at the most credible level possible. And I think that because we’ve had all the leaks over the years, it’s going to resonate with people. People are like, oh shit. All those things that have been slipping out over the years, it’s real and these guys are validating it. And it’ll be really interesting to see what’s on the other side of that.

And the other wild thing, Joe, is when you go down the rabbit hole of the UAP topic with people in intelligence community and military, you start learning about adjacent things that are equally bonkers. Like remote viewing, which you’ve talked a lot about. I mean, I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Hal Puthoff was the guy who created Stargate and ran Stargate backed by the DoD and the CIA, and also was deeply involved in the UAP topic for decades.

There’s a lot of overlap. And the remote viewing topic is fascinating. It’s another one of those things where the more you learn about it and you’re like, there is a there there. It’s a real situation, and it’s extraordinary. Makes you think how much more is still hidden from us.

Technology Transfer

JOE ROGAN: I definitely want to talk about that, but I want to ask you, were there specifics when they talk about technology that was acquired that was then rolled into…

DAN FARAH: No, no one said it on the record. I was shocked when Rubio said that on camera, when he went there, clearly stating that. I mean, I think word for word, I think he says, “and every now and then an advancement gets made and gets commercialized and some company’s making a ton of money on it for their own interest.”

JOE ROGAN: But is there any suspicions when you…

DAN FARAH: Yeah, no, I’ve heard suspicions.

JOE ROGAN: Like what?

DAN FARAH: You know, how it could have impacted hypersonic missiles. I’ve heard things about early days of fiber optics. I’ve heard things about night vision. But no one would go on the record and say something definitive.

The thing people were comfortable saying, and Rubio said, is that defense contractors have been in control of this over the decades. Congressional oversight has… Congress has lost congressional oversight. And essentially these programs are just moving along and keeping it to themselves. And when you keep something to yourself, it’s easy to slip a win into your commercialized side of your business.

JOE ROGAN: I would like to know what that is, though. It’d be really interesting.

DAN FARAH: And who knows, by the way, if it’s even public? It might be something that they made…

JOE ROGAN: Right.

DAN FARAH: That isn’t public, that they’re using. They get bigger contracts…

JOE ROGAN: Right, right.

DAN FARAH: In exchange for shutting up about it.

JOE ROGAN: Right, of course. Why wouldn’t you? Let’s go deep. Put that f*ing tinfoil hat on securely. Do you know about the conspiracy about Bell Laboratory in New Jersey?

The Stigma and Cover-Up

DAN FARAH: Yeah, I’ve heard a lot about that. The tinfoil hat thing is a good reminder that one of the things I learned is that the stigma around this was created by the people covering this up.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, yeah.

DAN FARAH: In the early 50s, late 40s, the CIA, when they took control of this, they were like, we’ve got to make sure people don’t ask about this. How do we do that? It’s just psychological operation. Make people think they’re crazy, make people think they’re a wacko, make tinfoil hat jokes. And then that gets built into our culture and different generations grow up thinking, oh, you’re a nut if you talk about this. It’d be embarrassing. You’d have your career ruined.

And now here we are where people giggle when you bring up this serious issue. And it’s been used against people inside government. So here’s a good story. Jay Stratton told me about an event that happened on the military base that is Top Gun. The Top Gun base where a craft came down. I don’t know exactly how high it was, whether it was in the air or in space, but came down from very high, dropped to above the tarmac in front of the base commander and his number two.

And they documented it with video recording. And this was when Jay was running the UAP task force. And they reached out to him saying they wanted to report this. And Jay went and talked to them in person and they were going to do an… These are super senior guys that were going to do an official on the record testimony about what they saw with their own eyes.

And Jay told a senior guy in Naval Intelligence who he thought was on the right side of history. And before these guys could come in and testify, the Naval Intelligence official who was actually part of the cover up, sent these guys tinfoil hats and told them that’s what they’d be wearing the rest of their lives if they spoke up.

And the guys reached out to Jay and said, we’re not providing the evidence. We’re not going to talk about this. Let’s pretend it never happened. So that kind of stuff really holds back because it’s very easy to deter somebody who’s devoted their whole life to climbing the ladder in the military, and you’re going to tell them that you could just end their career path in an instant. Why would they keep going forward?

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, why would they?

DAN FARAH: Makes no sense.

JOE ROGAN: I wouldn’t. I’d shut my f*ing mouth and maybe tell Jesse Michaels 10 years later. That’s what a lot of these guys wind up doing. They retire and then they start talking.

More Witnesses Coming Forward

DAN FARAH: I do think that we’re going to see more people come out. I really… I’ve already started. I’ve started receiving, since the trailers have been out there, I’ve started receiving incoming DMs on social media sites from super senior people where I look up who they are and I’m like, holy shit. And they’re like, hey, we should talk in person sometime. There’s some things I want to share.

And I don’t know what’s going to come out of that. I haven’t done those meetings yet, but I imagine people are going to come out of the woodwork because this stuff is real and it’s been hidden so much. And I know there’s some big people coming out next year.

Stratton’s book is going to be a big thing, too. I’ve actually been working with them on it, developing his book, and it’s going to come out in the spring. HarperCollins is publishing it and it’s f*ing bombshell. It’s bonkers. So much detail.

One of the other things that I didn’t include in the film, Joe, that’s… I mean, it’s bonkers to think about. All of the intelligence officials who actually investigated this for the government, like the people involved in AAWSAP and AATIP and UAP Task Force, they all started having activity at their homes when they were investigating non-human intelligent life.

JOE ROGAN: What kind of activity?

Orb Activity at Investigators’ Homes

DAN FARAH: Orbs in their houses, orbs interacting with their family, causing medical issues for family members, ending up in the… family members ending up in the hospital due to orb activity.

JOE ROGAN: What issues? Due to orb activity?

Orb Encounters and Physical Effects

DAN FARAH: One of the senior intelligence officials that I spoke to, and I’ll let him tell his own story when he’s ready, but his son got extremely impacted by an orb. Black and blue over his whole body. Had to go to the hospital. Looked like someone took a bat to his chest.

I didn’t include this in the film, this section, because I feel like when you get into the stuff happening at people’s houses, I think it’s a bridge too far for a lot of people. And you got to set the table with the base facts first, which is what my film does, and then they can open their minds to these other things.

But what I found really interesting is when I would do these interviews with people and they would all talk about this activity they started having at their houses that in some cases caused medical issues. It was all after they started looking into non-human intelligent life. And their takeaway was that non-human intelligent life was looking into them because they were looking into non-human intelligent life.

And they made the analogy of if a Russian spy comes to D.C. to spy on Congress, our intelligence community spies on the Russian spy. And so that was their outlook. And I thought that was really interesting and almost implies a human level of thinking, you know, or maybe some…

JOE ROGAN: Attempt to make contact.

DAN FARAH: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: There was a guy that I interviewed at Skinwalker Ranch who lived outside of the ranch who had an orb experience. And I talked to a few people there that were clearly out of their f*ing mind. And maybe on meth, but a few people that seemed pretty credible. And this guy was the most, just a regular guy with a regular job, interesting guy, cool to talk to.

He said that he’s had a few weird sightings, but the weirdest one was one day in his home. This orb that was larger than a softball, he said, came flying into his house and was in the living room with him, and it was interacting with him. And then it flew down the hallway and flew right through the walls. But he said it interacted with him like it was in front of him, letting him know that it’s there.

DAN FARAH: Almost. Some people say almost in a playful way. Yeah. And I’ve heard about this orb activity in intelligence officials’ houses more times than I can remember, countless times.

And the journey of this movie, I not only got to know a lot of these intelligence officials very well, but went and spent time with their wives, with their kids, with them together. And when you see a wife completing a husband’s sentence, like they’re telling you what they experienced together, it’s bonkers, man. It’s wild. It’s like, holy s*, this happened. You know?

And then when you hear their kids talk about it separately and you’re like, that’s literally word for word.

JOE ROGAN: What?

DAN FARAH: You guys are all experiencing the same thing. You have these different points of view.

JOE ROGAN: So the family got together with a coordinated lie. Doesn’t feel like that. Kids into doing it. That seems a little…

DAN FARAH: That seems a little over the top because to what end? Right. I didn’t, I thought I put it in the movie, you know. Yeah. But it’s really fascinating. And the orb activity, who knows what it is, man?

JOE ROGAN: It could be.

DAN FARAH: It could be another form of the warping of space-time in a localized area. Like, once you do that, time and space is different in that bubble. So that could be a much bigger craft inside of an energy ball that we see. We might just, this might be what we see as the orb. Right. It might be a transportation device. There might be a being in there. And this is just what we’re seeing is what’s on the outside of this warping of space-time.

Space-Time Warping and Craft Dimensions

JOE ROGAN: Well, that’s another thing that one of the eyewitnesses described that was very weird was a craft that was small, but then when they got inside of it, it was the size of a football field.

DAN FARAH: Yeah. So that also goes with the warping of space-time. So Hal says in the film, this was something that shocked me that Hal said. I was really shocked. He says the warping of space-time and the bubble explains a lot of things that at this point haven’t made sense to us.

And he says, for example, when a military serviceman goes onto a craft that looks like it’s, you know, 40 feet, and then he goes inside, it looks like it’s the size of a football field. That makes sense now, because from outside the bubble, it’s one thing, and inside the bubble it’s something else.

JOE ROGAN: Right.

DAN FARAH: And that’s wild. Yeah. And I’ve heard that story a number of times from people who have never talked to each other.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. It’s like we have this very simple understanding of objects and of space and the ability to move around in them. And this kind of spectacular technology, I think we kind of have to think about it just like all other spectacular technology. If you were around in the 1400s, you couldn’t possibly imagine the concept of a nuclear bomb. It would be impossible. Or nuclear energy or even a cell phone.

DAN FARAH: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Now imagine new breakthroughs happen, and now this bubble gets created, and we start to figure out how to send things to places through these bubbles. And then we realize that what’s happening in these bubbles is not what you see on the outside, that it’s completely warping, which is also one of the weird questions, like, why are UFOs so blurry?

Why UAPs Are Difficult to Photograph

DAN FARAH: Well, that answers that question because, you know, Hal says it and I loved when he revealed this because, ah, that checks the box. Makes sense. People have trouble taking photos of UAP because they’re literally taking a photo through a space warp, a space-time bubble, basically the warping of space-time.

So the analogy would be, you know, if you go under the ocean, you take a picture of a fish, you’re going to get better visibility, you’re in their domain. Right. You’re in their environment. Right. But if you go above the ocean, right, you’re now in a different environment. And you try taking a photo from above the water, it’s going to be all distorted and wacky looking because you’re taking a photo through a barrier, another environment. Right. It’s the same basic logic, like try taking a picture of koi fish from above the water. You can’t do it. Right.

And so that’s just the simplest answer. That’s what they’re doing. They are warping space-time in a localized area. They’re creating a barrier between our environment and their environment. And when you try to take a photo through it, it’s not great.

It’s also the reason why radar has trouble getting these things, because the radar detector, the way it works is radar is emitted towards an object, it bounces back to the radar detector and that’s how you track where it is. Right. But the radar is just going around the bubble and it’s not going back to the radar detector because it’s just going around the bubble. It’s a different environment. Right.

JOE ROGAN: And supposedly we can do that now.

DAN FARAH: Well, the interview subjects clearly imply that some of the UAP, not imply, they state that some of the UAP we’re seeing might be our reverse-engineered technology.

Propulsion Methods and Universal Technology

JOE ROGAN: Might be. And is there any theories about other potential methods of propulsion rather than just this bubble? Anything done in a more traditional way? Is there levels of these things? Like when it comes to the technological abilities?

DAN FARAH: Everyone I interviewed that was willing to talk about the technology was convinced…

JOE ROGAN: This is what they were doing, that they’re all doing.

DAN FARAH: And it was a unifying theory that explains everything we’ve ever observed, like all the performance characteristics we’ve observed UAP to have.

JOE ROGAN: And so the theory is that all of these advanced beings from wherever they’re from, the various different species of them, that all of them have this particular type of technology.

DAN FARAH: Yeah. Huh. Which if it’s the key to interstellar…

JOE ROGAN: Travel, then kind of makes sense. But it’s like, are they all figuring out, are they getting it from each other? Like, is this just a natural pathway to curious, intelligent, innovative creatures that they ultimately eventually stumble upon this technology?

DAN FARAH: Well, one of the things shared that I found fascinating was this idea that some of the craft that we’ve recovered and adversarial nations have recovered weren’t crash crafts and weren’t crafts that they caused a crash. They were crafts that just appeared outside a military base, almost like a gift.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. Diana Pasulka discusses them as donations.

DAN FARAH: So gifts, donations. But the thought, okay, if you try to explain that, why would anyone do that? Maybe some more advanced species is trying to help advance us and try to put a carrot on a stick. Maybe it’s survival of the fittest for the nations of Earth. Maybe it’s a big IQ test. Who knows what it is? But that’s an interesting scenario and seems intentional from whoever put it there.

JOE ROGAN: Well, it would make sense if they were trying to help, that that would be the least intrusive way instead of coming down. “Hello, let me show you how to do this.” Instead of doing that, just like, “Hey, figure this out, stupid.” Get all your brightest people and at the very least you’ll figure something out.

DAN FARAH: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: And maybe that’s what they’re saying, that these things have gone into some sort of a commercial application that they figure. I just want to know what those things are because this was the thing that I was getting at with Bell Laboratory.

Bell Labs and Reverse Engineering

So Bell Labs was, this is the conspiracy theory, that some of the material that was retrieved from Roswell was then transported to Bell Labs for some sort of a back-engineering program. And that there was a reason why there was a military base right outside of Bell Labs. And the idea was that military base was supposed to be guarding New York City, but New York City was kind of far away. Like you’d want to be a little closer if you’re guarding New York City.

And it’s much more likely that it was actually just guarding this laboratory and that there was a company called the American Computer Company. And the American Computer Company, are they still around? Let’s see if they still have this page. So very wacky page. So they made to-order computers like you would call it up. “I want a, you know, whatever, 5 GHz Intel processor, blah, blah, blah,” and they would do it all for you. “I want a two terabyte hard drive.” They would set it all up for you and send it to you.

And then they had a whole section of their website that was dedicated to back-engineering technology from Bell Labs and how it all happened. And they were talking about the invention of fiber optics and also the transistor. These things had come specifically from the discoveries that they had made from the back-engineering of a craft that was down at Roswell.

DAN FARAH: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Which was also, by the way, Roswell was the site of a lot of nuclear testing.

The Roswell Incident and Material Distribution

DAN FARAH: Yeah, I was told that, you know, people say in the film that Roswell did in fact happen. There was a crash, four non-human bodies were in the craft and recovered. And the technology, the craft materials and the bodies were sent to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio, which is very close to Battelle. Right.

And then maybe that’s the reason why Bell Labs is near a military base. Maybe it’s more about proximity to a base that can have recovery teams quickly deployed, come back with materials and then get them to a facility close by without the need for moving them across the country.

JOE ROGAN: And that would also, if it was true, would also be one of the first examples of this coordination between government and defense contractors, government and scientists that were commercially working and that they somehow or another arranged to get these brightest minds to, “Hey, what’s this?”

DAN FARAH: How does this work?

JOE ROGAN: Is that computer company still around?

DAN FARAH: I don’t think so, but I just stumbled across something.

JOE ROGAN: I was reading that another story about the Bell Lab story.

DAN FARAH: That’s a letter from the guy that says he’s the head of American Computer Company.

JOE ROGAN: What does he say?

DAN FARAH: I just found it as you asked the question, trying to see why this was relevant.

The Origins of Modern Technology

JOE ROGAN: This was like back, I want to say it might have been like the 90s, late 90s or early 2000s when I first started going online. And I found out about them because I used to make my own computers back then. So go and get a motherboard and hard drive and I’ll do all that stuff. It was fun for gaming. It was really fun because you could set it up with powerful video cards and everything like that.

But there was a bunch of companies that would sell really high end put together computers so you didn’t have to go through all that work. And so I was just looking at companies that make computers made to order Windows computers. And I found them and I was like, what the f* is this? Do they still have that up?

DAN FARAH: That’s wild. I don’t know. I started to try to find it, I thought I found it.

JOE ROGAN: What about the Wayback Machine?

DAN FARAH: Well, this article that I found says it’s extracted from Nexus magazine, 1999. The thing about when you think about—

JOE ROGAN: Hold on, what is it?

DAN FARAH: It says everything you talked about. Yeah, it’s very long. It’s all written, but it talks about right there, alien craft.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, okay, so it said. So now, not only do we have a picture of the alleged alien craft on our website talking about alien technologies being transferred to AT&T, but we’re also in possession of a very High Level, Level 5 Top Secret Security clearance, military faxes describing something called Sky Station.

DAN FARAH: Here it says like we try to be cute, we try to put up a picture. If you go to our website, it’s still there. Here’s our website. Bottom of the page is a nav bar pointer.

JOE ROGAN: Is that website still up?

DAN FARAH: I’ll click on it.

JOE ROGAN: Click on it. Let’s see what we got here. Just in case I’m weird.

DAN FARAH: Nope, no, is not the exact.

JOE ROGAN: That’s gone, son.

DAN FARAH: It’s a website.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, but that’s a bullshit website. That’s not the American computer company website, is it? No, that’s just like American Priority Payment Systems. What is this?

DAN FARAH: Who bought them? Do you know?

JOE ROGAN: Probably the f*ing government, man.

The Transistor Mystery

DAN FARAH: But if this is talking about everything. Used to. Although that’s what I was trying to figure out. Where what this is. It’s websites. I don’t know. Reverse engineering, Roswell, UFO technology.

JOE ROGAN: Look at this. It says here, “The symbol for the transistor is made up of three pieces. Positive, positive and negative or negative, negative and positive. Silicon dioxide doped with arsenic and Boron in 1947.”

Now, 1947, doping things with boron was not easy. It required the sort of equipment that even Bell Labs in 1946 did not possess. They had this type of equipment at Lawrence Berkeley Laboratories. But it would have taken thousands and thousands and thousands of man hours to invent the transistor.

If you look back at it historically, what AT&T was claiming was that one day this genius, William Shockley, working with a rectifier, he looked at it and noticed that it had unusual propensities. And there, bingo, he invented the transistor. He figured it out right there.

And to verify that the two other geniuses that they got to help work with him on the transistor, Dr. Barden and Dr. Brattain, both said, “Oh yeah, I remember the guy by his name, by the name of the case was allegedly talking about transistors in 1931. And I knew back then we were going to have them.”

That is the history of the transistor at AT&T prior to 1948, other than claiming it was invented in December of 1947 by Dr. Shockley. Anybody believe that story? Me neither.

And I knew because the administrative head of the transistor project was Jack Morton, the man at whose house I was staying to go to school and whose sons I was friends with. And he often commented on the fact that it was really a shame that those three idiots got responsibility for the transistor and he didn’t.

And I always wondered because he too didn’t possess the scientific ability to develop the transistor. He was a brilliant man who had invented the radio broadcast vacuum tube, the closed space triode. But it appeared that he was brought in to head up the project to try to draw back the transistor in time to radio tubes and the image that Shockley talked about.

And it was as if the whole thing was just a ploy and he might as easily have been given responsibility and gotten the Nobel Prize as Bill Shockley. Professional jealousy?

DAN FARAH: It says.

JOE ROGAN: Question mark.

DAN FARAH: Wow.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. So there’s questions about the invention of the transistor, according to these guys, but it’s also fiber optics and it’s the things that. What they’re saying is that these things kind of came out of nowhere.

DAN FARAH: Came out of nowhere. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It’s hard not to line it up.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, well, it certainly lines up time.

The Roswell Connection

DAN FARAH: Wise with the Roswell crash and the labs working on these things being close proximity to bases that are known for recoveries and reverse engineering around Roswell. The engineers, the Army Air Corps engineers that were based at Wright Path were literally the expert reverse engineers of the Army Air Corps. That’s who was based there.

JOE ROGAN: That’s so crazy.

DAN FARAH: Yeah. And people forget at the time it was the Army Air Corps at Roswell. And the, yeah, I mean, the dots all line up.

The other thing to think about with what technology has been cracked is just because we haven’t seen it yet doesn’t mean they didn’t crack it. Typically, if you just look at aerospace, like fighter jets and stuff, our black projects are like 30 years out. So they might have come up with something truly extraordinary. Is it 30 years out that 10 people know about you thinking about it.

JOE ROGAN: In like 1990 and 2000 times, or is it 30 years out now because technology is obviously moving at an exponential pace?

DAN FARAH: I mean, is it really still?

JOE ROGAN: Because 30 years from now, I feel like we have a digital God.

Black Projects and Hidden Technology

DAN FARAH: Yeah. No, I can’t believe that they’re 30 years out. It’s 30 for sure. Really? Yeah. And multiple intelligence officials have told me even the people who are not dealing with UAP, they’re just working at like Defense Intelligence Agency. They’re aerospace experts. They’re looking at our, they have to be aware of our black projects that are 30 years out and adversaries projects that are 30 years out.

And I mean, that’s wild. I talked to a very senior intelligence official who is in his 80s, who in the 70s, mid-70s, was working on quantum entanglement for the CIA.

JOE ROGAN: What?

DAN FARAH: Yeah. No one heard about quantum entanglement, I think, until like 15 years ago.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. So how is he working on quantum entanglement?

DAN FARAH: Didn’t get into the details. That was the headline I got. And it’s a super serious guy, but that was the headline I got. He was doing fringe science work dealing with quantum entanglement for the CIA and the DoD in the mid-70s.

JOE ROGAN: And quantum entanglement as for what? Under what end? As a method of distribution of information.

DAN FARAH: Unclear. Unclear. I wouldn’t want to assume, but just that was the headline. And that’s the, it was said to me in the context of when the public hears about something existing, it’s long after it’s existed in terms of black prop science.

And so it just makes you think, if things have come off the back of this technology and some of it has been commercialized, actually put into hypersonic missiles or whatever it is, transistor radio, whatever. What hasn’t, what’s just been kept in a box.

It’s pretty wild to think about, but the reality is, I mean, all that leads me to just, I really feel like if we get into this era of transparency and everyone knows it’s real, and all scientists know it’s a valid area of inquiry, and all the bright young minds out there that are in high school or college right now know this is something they can put their brain power towards, there’s so much amazing stuff could come out of it.

Like think about the space race. 35,000 inventions they say came out of the space race, like Velcro and bunch.

The Challenge of Transparency

JOE ROGAN: I think the fear would be that the openness would also lead to espionage, because we already have a problem with that. We already have a problem with agents of the CCP that infiltrate technology companies and get busted. And it happens at universities. It’s an issue. And if it was open transparency and they were just bringing in all the brightest minds.

DAN FARAH: Maybe. But maybe it’s like the amnesty thing. Maybe it just needs to happen for the greater good.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, that’s the question. Like if they’re both, if both the United States and China are literally on the brink, maybe it’s a conversation that needs to be had for the greater good of humanity.

This notion that we are the only intelligent life that we’ve so far observed in the universe is a lie. And that where they come from, whether they’re interdimensional or whether interstellar or whatever they are, there’s something other than us that’s more advanced than us that can do things that we can’t do and that we’ve learned from them.

DAN FARAH: And despite our differences, we have a lot in common in this situation and that we’re all in it together.

JOE ROGAN: That’s the Reagan speech.

DAN FARAH: Yeah, yeah.

JOE ROGAN: That famous Reagan speech at the UN.

Presidential Warnings

DAN FARAH: The two famous President speeches that I now look through. I look at it completely different ways. Reagan’s speech at the United Nations where he says, “I often think despite our differences, what will unite us is a threat from outside this planet that brought us all together and remind us of our common bonds as humans.”

But the other speech. Well, first of all, that one. Why do you often think that Ronald Reagan?

JOE ROGAN: Right. Why is Reagan saying that instead of president?

DAN FARAH: Why are you often thinking that?

JOE ROGAN: He gave so many people hope? Someone dorks like me. Yeah, maybe. Really?

DAN FARAH: Well, the other one is the Eisenhower speech about the military industrial complex, where he warned us, and he warned us at a time where we now know the legacy program was already getting very powerful and empowering defense contractors to reverse engineer this technology.

And he warns, he says very, very, very clearly that the ability exists and will persist for unchecked power that would threaten our democratic process and get us basically saying, well, get us to a place where the contractors are going to have more power than Congress.

And here we are in 2025 with leaders in Congress and our Secretary of State saying, that’s literally what happened. That’s literally the situation right now. The President is out of the mix, Congress is out of the mix, the people are out of the mix. And military contractors, the military industrial complex is in control, has unchecked power and just waits out sitting presidents.

It’s wild to listen to his full speech through that context and know that that’s what he was talking about.

JOE ROGAN: And it came to fruit.

DAN FARAH: Yeah, yeah.

JOE ROGAN: And it’s 80 years later, we’re like, oh, he was right. And the thing is, that speech was he did that live on the air to the world, and people didn’t really get a chance to watch it until the Internet because most people, you’d have to read about it or you’d have to go somewhere and find some 35 millimeter footage and strap it onto a projector and go watch him say that.

Most people never saw it. You didn’t see it until the Internet came around. And then people had encoded it and turned it into YouTube videos.

DAN FARAH: Super powerful speech. There’s a third one that I look through a different lens now, which is not long before he was killed, Kennedy gave a speech about how secrecy is replenished.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. Secret societies. Yes.

DAN FARAH: And he said, “Are replenished in a free society and they challenge our democratic way of life and we shouldn’t allow it.” Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Look where that got him.

DAN FARAH: Exactly, exactly. Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: He was literally taking on secret societies. I mean, he wanted to disband the CIA. He had a lot of ideas.

The Opportunity to Be Heroes

DAN FARAH: Yeah, yeah. Look, I hope that people involved in this at the CIA or at these defense contractors realize, like you said, they have a moment here to be the heroes of the story.

JOE ROGAN: Yes.

DAN FARAH: And to spin it and just say, “Hey, we were taken on a job that no one else knew existed. We were doing the best we could. We thought we made good decisions. Like any war, there’s casualties of war. But our intention was to do the best for the United States.”

And we want to come out and tell everyone what we’ve learned in a safe way where we can share some information, educate the base, the public with the base facts, and then keep the rest classified for national security reasons. These people would all just be heroes. They go down in history.

JOE ROGAN: We would be stunned, though. I mean, the United States, I think if the full extent, if these people are telling the truth, the full extent of this cover up was ever revealed, we would probably be baffled. Like, wow, they lied for so long, they covered up so much.

And then there would be the anger at the misappropriation of funds and a lot of finger pointing. And then there would be the very real problem of defense contractors getting access to back engineered equipment where other defense contractors were not. So they would have an unfair advantage competitively.

DAN FARAH: Yeah. I mean, look, a bunch of defense contractors went out of business over the years. You’d also have to look back at some of the older defense contractors that were given materials in the 40s and 50s and then got acquired by Lockheed or Northrop. Lockheed, Northrop bought all of the smaller defense contractors that have been involved with this over the years.

JOE ROGAN: Really?

DAN FARAH: Yeah, yeah, a bunch of them.

JOE ROGAN: So those are the big ones?

DAN FARAH: Yeah, Lockheed and Northrop, Northrop Raytheon.

JOE ROGAN: And so didn’t they all have access?

DAN FARAH: Yeah, elements of them. I mean you can’t look at just, you can’t look at the government as all one big entity. You can’t look at, it’s not like everybody at Lockheed Martin knows about non-human technology. But there are people that are in control of that situation.

And this comes from multiple people I interviewed in my phone. They all said the exact same names. Yeah, it’s fascinating. Did you ever go down, how much of a rabbit hole have you gone down on the remote viewing stuff?

Remote Viewing and UAP Encounters

JOE ROGAN: I’ve gone down a few rabbit holes, yeah. It’s fascinating what they have actually been able to do with it. The HAL Puthoff story, but the crashed Soviet craft that they found that this remote viewer guy found within a three mile radius, located it exactly.

DAN FARAH: Jimmy Carter put a statement out about it. Yeah, there’s audio of Jimmy Carter telling that story.

JOE ROGAN: See if we can find that.

DAN FARAH: It’s wild man.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, we’ll try to find that. Because that is pretty crazy.

DAN FARAH: The thing that I find the most fascinating about it, aside from just it’s real, is the connection with UAP. And there are people who have had UAP encounters and then end up with these abilities for remote view as well. So it’s a biological effect of an encounter.

There’s a big book that I’ve been a part of developing that’s going to come out next year. It’s a memoir, it’s been publicized a little bit under a pseudonym. Scott Andrews is the name, but that’s not his real name. He was an intelligence official who as a kid had a UAP encounter and then late in life had a medical issue that no one could explain.

And then they found that he had these amoebas in his body that should have killed him. There was no reason why he should be alive. And he had an immediate brain surgery. And after he had the brain surgery when he was healing, certain memories started to come back and all of a sudden he was able to remote view and he didn’t understand what he was doing.

He talked to some other intelligence officials who told him what you’re doing is called remote viewing. People are trained to do that. But he was doing it. He had done it before, like Jason Bourne. These skills are coming back, right?

And around that time he found, when he was healing, he was out of the hospital, he found a locked file cabinet in his father’s office. His father passed away. In the cabinet was a bunch of files about his life, organized by the year. And amongst the files were his enlistment paperwork in the US Air Force as a child, like 12 or 13 years old, which is not legal yet. And then his honorable discharge at 18.

And the service code was Space Intelligence Communications. And the base was the old Space Force base, straight up real documents. And then he went to his mother, who was still alive, and said, “Do you know anything about this?” And she said, “I don’t know anything about it.”

But she’s like, “Do you remember when you were a kid and you saw that UFO?” And he didn’t really remember. She starts jogging his memory, she said, “You saw this UFO come out of this lake, a lake or a pond?” And he’s like, “I do now. I do remember.”

She’s like, “Remember, you ran home and you told me and dad?” And she said, “All I know is the next day those men from the Air Force came to talk to you with your dad. And then I never heard anything else about it.”

And so where this story goes is unpacking this connection between UAP encounters. And while there’s some biological effects that are bad, there are some that are also, if you call it a gift, I don’t know if you call it a gift or curse.

JOE ROGAN: But unlocking your potential.

DAN FARAH: Unlocking potential is a great way to put it. Yeah. And then the Air Force being the story, also unveils how on top of it the Air Force is. So they went and recruited this young kid and his father to become part of a secret program where we still don’t know exactly what he did, but he was used for this ability.

And the service code was Space Intelligence Communications. And it’s a wild story. There’s a lot more to it. I could talk to you about it for four hours, but it’s one of the most mind blowing stories ever.

This specific person is extremely high ranking. His resume reads like a movie character. It’s bonkers. He’s like, at one point he was running, I don’t remember the exact title, but essentially he was running counterterrorism for North America. He’s a really high level dude.

And he ended up getting, because of his stature in the intelligence community, he ended up getting help from people in the Department of Defense to piece together this hidden past he has. And he actually is in the process of getting approved for anomalous health injury status from the Secretary of Defense.

Missing Memories and Hidden Programs

JOE ROGAN: So this program that he was involved in as a child, does he have any recollection?

DAN FARAH: No recollection. His wife was like a gumshoe detective about it. She starts calling. They see in the files there was records of days of school he missed, excused absences for huge periods of time. I don’t remember exactly whether it was weeks or months, but it was huge periods of time.

So his wife calls the school and starts digging and asks, “What was your policy back then? Would someone have had to repeat a grade if they missed this much time?” And they said, “Absolutely. Unless you had a really good reason or some sort of serious medical excuse, you would have been held back.”

He was never held back. He has no memory of missing all these days of school. His friends that he grew up with don’t remember it, but there’s all this documentation.

JOE ROGAN: His friends don’t remember him not being in school?

DAN FARAH: No. They inquired. Yeah. Totally weird. Totally weird. Totally weird.

JOE ROGAN: So has he undergone hypnotic regression?

DAN FARAH: He hasn’t done that. He’s been dealing with a lot of serious medical issues. Very serious. Almost dying multiple times from a lot of these. The correct word, by the way, is parasites. I think I said amoebas. Parasites. He had parasites in his body that almost killed him multiple times.

JOE ROGAN: What kind of parasites?

DAN FARAH: There was seven different parasites that he and his doctor said his doctors told him would have killed him within a month. I don’t remember the exact names. I wouldn’t pretend to be a medical scientist or anything like that.

JOE ROGAN: Does he have any suspicions as to how he acquired these parasites?

DAN FARAH: Yeah, he thinks that whatever program he was involved with did bizarre experiments. That’s what he thinks. And he thinks that he was supposed to not remember any of this. And when the parasite issues caused brain surgery, the memories came back.

And he ended up, there’s a lot more to the story. After he started socializing what he was experiencing, there were multiple attempts on his life that have been documented and investigated by real intelligence agencies. He’s a serious dude. And he’s doing his tell all memoir. It’s a really great book. It’s almost done, and Simon & Schuster’s going to publish it next year.

Attempts on His Life

JOE ROGAN: So there’s multiple attempts on his life because of which, does he have an understanding? Was he threatened?

DAN FARAH: He thinks it’s because what he was involved with was supposed to stay in the past.

JOE ROGAN: He wasn’t supposed to remember it when he was a child.

DAN FARAH: Yeah, no one wants.

JOE ROGAN: So they want to kill him. Wouldn’t that make it even more suspicious?

DAN FARAH: Well, depends on how you’re. Yeah. No, probably not.

JOE ROGAN: Probably not. Because they could just get away with it.

DAN FARAH: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: What kind of attempts on his life?

DAN FARAH: Directed energy weapons.

JOE ROGAN: What?

DAN FARAH: Yeah, yeah. The guy was having actual symptoms of a directed energy weapon attack and he knew what those circumstances were from his career. He knew these were symptoms of that. And a proper investigation was done by real authorities and they found evidence of it, like etching in the windows.

JOE ROGAN: Etching in the window.

DAN FARAH: If a directed energy weapon goes through glass, it causes etching in the windows.

JOE ROGAN: So they were literally physically targeting him with something from a drone, from space?

DAN FARAH: Who knows? Who knows? I mean, that’s, these are the list of questions that this story.

JOE ROGAN: So the idea is like, let’s just give this guy cancer or just nuke him and take him out.

DAN FARAH: That’s what it seems. Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Because he’s talking too much about this program.

DAN FARAH: That’s what it seems.

JOE ROGAN: And then if it comes out, we’re f*ed.

DAN FARAH: Yeah, that’s what it seems.

JOE ROGAN: Because probably what they did is highly illegal, especially if they did it to a child.

DAN FARAH: Well, I don’t think you can legally enlist in the military when you’re 13.

JOE ROGAN: He probably wasn’t the only one.

DAN FARAH: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: And so if they do have some sort of ability to erase memory.

DAN FARAH: That’s what it would seem. Which also lines up with, I talked to one of the stories I left out of the film. I talked to the base commander from Rendlesham, the joint US-UK base in the UK where there was a huge UAP event in the 80s.

And the base commander told me on the record, on camera, that the day after the event, an airplane landed. People from the CIA and Air Force intelligence showed up with authority and demanded to speak to the witnesses. And the base commander was told to leave the room.

He didn’t know until years later that all those servicemen that experienced this, they were all told to share the details. And they were given a drug, I think it’s called, is this correct? Sodium Pentothal. Is that how you say it?

JOE ROGAN: Pentothal, yes.

DAN FARAH: Sodium.

JOE ROGAN: That’s the truth serum, right?

DAN FARAH: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they were given that to share what they experienced and then they were all asked if they had ever been hypnotized. And someone was there who hypnotized them, as crazy as that sounds.

JOE ROGAN: Wow.

The Base Commander’s Revelations

DAN FARAH: This is the base commander telling me this on camera to my face. He also said they took away something in crates the next day on this airplane, and he never got clarity on what it was.

And the third thing that he revealed that I don’t think anyone’s ever talked about with Rendlesham is he revealed that the day after the event, he went and talked to the people in the communications room. You know, the old school, like wires in the walls. And the head of the communications on the base told him that the entire night of the event, while he was out in the woods dealing with the event, the whole base was on communication lockdown.

All lines were shut down except the direct line between the base and the White House, which it’s called. I believe. I believe. I don’t want to mess this up, but I believe it’s called flash override, which is only used for nuclear war or imminent threat of nuclear war. So, like the most extreme circumstances where you need a direct line between the base and the President.

JOE ROGAN: Whoa.

DAN FARAH: Yeah. So one of the unfortunate things I had to cut for time. Hardest thing about making this movie, man, was my director’s cut was like four hours. And I had to get this down. I had to get this down to something that was like, consumable.

JOE ROGAN: Did you ever think about making it like a seat, like a Netflix thing or multi piece?

DAN FARAH: I did. I did think about it.

JOE ROGAN: What about a director’s cut? Would you ever do that?

DAN FARAH: Probably. I’ll think about doing that. Or maybe let’s do a sequel. Maybe let’s do a follow up and put some of the stuff that, like, is like a bridge too far into the next thing once the table’s been set.

JOE ROGAN: That sounds good.

DAN FARAH: You know, this was the question I—

Working on Legitimate Films

JOE ROGAN: Was going to get to with that. Now you’ve worked on legitimate films.

DAN FARAH: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Like, not that this isn’t legitimate, but you worked on some, like, big blockbuster Hollywood films.

DAN FARAH: Yeah, man.

JOE ROGAN: Ready Player One. Amazing film. I love the movie. Are you locked into this kind of sh*t now? Because here’s the problem that happens when people start going down this rabbit hole. It kind of consumes them.

DAN FARAH: Look, it’s definitely been a consuming endeavor. This movie. I mean, this thing has consumed my life for four years. And I had to, you know, it’s a whole other conversation, but I had to make this movie in secrecy because at the offset when I started getting real intelligence officials to lean in, they told me to my face, they’re like, it’s not in your best interest to promote the fact you’re doing this. Don’t announce people doing this. Don’t let the world know about it until you put a trailer out. You know there’s going to be people who are going to try to cause problems for you.

So I had to make this in secrecy. I ended up doing posts out of my house, which my fiancée is a saint. Ali Feinstein is a saint for putting up with that.

JOE ROGAN: Did you have a crew at your house doing all the posts?

DAN FARAH: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: So you had to do it on the sneak.

DAN FARAH: All consuming. And yes, this topic is a rabbit hole you become consumed with. Look, I’m still going to do movies and TV shows that have nothing to do with UAP for sure. And I’m developing some and I think I’ll probably make some next year.

But at the same time, I want to do more in this space and these adjacent spaces like I’m doing. Like I mentioned Jay Stratton’s book I’m working really hard on. I’m also going to develop a series based on Jay Stratton’s life, which is this remarkable 16 year rabbit hole of investigating non-human intelligent life and UAP for the U.S. government. I’m working with some other people that are in my film on their life stories. And then the book I just told you about that crazy remote viewing story. Yeah, I’m developing a movie about that.

JOE ROGAN: Like a fiction, like dramatization?

DAN FARAH: Yeah, like picture the vibe of The Insider, the Russell Crowe movie, but with that story. Like that kind of vibe.

JOE ROGAN: I want to play that guy. Do you got something in mind?

DAN FARAH: I have a few people in mind. Don’t want to say too soon. There’s a few people in line. Crowe also. Crowe would be amazing for it. And he’s really into the topic.

JOE ROGAN: Oh yeah, he’s really into the topic.

DAN FARAH: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: And he’s only interested in doing interesting things now.

DAN FARAH: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: You know.

DAN FARAH: Yeah, he’s got all the money in the world. He’d be amazing for it. There’s a lot of good ideas for that one. But I do want to still do stuff outside this topic for sure. I’m really fascinated with the remote viewing topic. I think I have a desire to do in the same way that The Age of Disclosure is the definitive doc on what we now know that can be lawfully disclosed about UAP and non-human intelligent life. I really want to try to endeavor to do that version of the remote viewing story.

JOE ROGAN: That would be amazing.

The Remote Viewing Program

DAN FARAH: Like the super credible, non-sensational. It’s got, I mean, it’s got the coolest setup. Here’s the setup for this thing. So Hal Puthoff’s working for the CIA and the DOD in the mid-70s. He’s doing some spooky stuff, fringe science work. His CIA handler, who’s his best friend and was in his wedding party, comes into his office, knocks on the door and says, “We’ve got a problem we need your help with.”

He says, “What is it?” He says, “Our operatives have found out that the Russians have a program that they’re 10 years into where they have rounded up the best psychics in Russia and they’ve trained them to use their psychic abilities to spy on American bases and our most secure facilities. And they’re getting actionable intel.”

Hal’s of course like, “Holy sh*t, that’s the craziest thing I’ve ever heard.” Right? And the CIA guy says, “Yes, you’ve got a blank checkbook from the CIA and the DOD. You’ve got X amount of time to catch up on their 10 year program. We’ve got to beat them.”

He then has to figure out how to go about finding people who have these abilities because it’s not like Russia. We can’t just go round up a bunch of people and say, “You’re going to do this,” right? So he comes up with a clever system to bake into army basic training testing that can identify people with these skill sets and then you can pluck them up and have them come work for this program. You can help them sharpen their skill sets and you can train them to become remote viewers.

To me, that like, that scene, it’s like the Indiana Jones scene where the CIA comes into Indiana Jones and says, you know, “What do you know about the Ark of the Covenant?”

JOE ROGAN: Oh my God.

DAN FARAH: And we’ve got the situation we need your help with. You know, it’s wild, man. It’s like the craziest setup of all time and it’s fascinating. And then the fact that they started getting real actionable intelligence that they were acting on, like the CIA was running missions based on his intel.

One day when I shot, I did so many interviews with Hal, but one day when we finished talking about the UAP topic, I had intentionally scheduled a few extra hours and I was like, “All right, now let’s talk about Stargate.” And I grabbed like three hours of the entire Stargate story. And it’s f*ing mind blowing. And all the specific little stories of action that were taken based on their intel. It is so wild and so compelling.

And then when Stargate, at the time, Stargate was a deeply hidden program, extremely secret, highly classified. There was some leak, I think that happened in the 90s where people heard about it and then essentially the government said, “Oh, it’s not real, it didn’t work. It was this thing we tried,” and all they did is they just moved it to another agency. As far as I’ve had so many people tell me of their awareness of active remote viewing programs.

JOE ROGAN: Wow. Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Have you tried to do it?

DAN FARAH: I have not tried to do it.

JOE ROGAN: Why not?

DAN FARAH: But what I did try was someone remote viewing me in a specific place where I was. And they sent me a picture that they sketched out that gave me f*ing chills because they described exactly where I was standing when I was talking to them. And I don’t think they had cameras in my house, which is the obvious question. Right. Pretty wild.

And there’s other stories I’ve heard from intelligence officials that I’ve gotten close with because of the UAP topic. People who became aware of the remote viewing situation and would tell me these just like little age adult stories. Like there was a pen drive, like a little drive with some data on it that had some UAP data on it that an intelligence official literally dropped while hiking out of their pocket. It was in their pocket and they dropped it and they used a remote viewer to help them find it. Told them exactly where it was and went and found it.

It’s crazy, it’s crazy, it’s crazy. But then you go and you listen to this clip of Jimmy Carter talking about how remote viewers were used to find this downed airplane. And you’re like, this guy was president of the United States. I definitely found a transcript in an article, but I think this is audio.

JOE ROGAN: And I hadn’t been able to check it.

Jimmy Carter on Remote Viewing

DAN FARAH: There is a documentary. I tried to find the documentary. There’s a documentary called Third Eye Spy that has it as the opening. Described it differently than you change. “An inexplicable event that has been discussed publicly is at one time we had a small plane go down somewhere in Africa. We needed very much to find out where that plane had crashed. And we were not able to find it by surveillance from our satellites.

So the director of the CIA, he was also director of all the intelligence agencies, heard about a woman in California that was a medium, and he contacted her and she gave him the latitude and longitude of the plane’s whereabouts. And the next time one of our space satellites went over that area, we located the plane where she said it was.”

That’s cool. By the way, that’s not even the one I was thinking of. He says it about a different thing about a plane. I think it was Russia. And he specifically says, “We went to the remote viewing program for one of the best remote viewers, and they found it.” But that’s crazy. That’s a sitting president, right? F*ing Jimmy Carter talking about a psychic being used.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. Do you think that that is an aspect of human consciousness that we used to be able to do?

DAN FARAH: I do.

JOE ROGAN: And that we’ve lost it somehow? Yeah, yeah.

DAN FARAH: I think there’s just things we’ve evolved out of and things we’ve evolved into. And I think that that’s, you know.

JOE ROGAN: Is that what they think as well?

DAN FARAH: Yeah, yeah. Someone, everyone very involved in that topic for the government now told me the analogy they would make is it’s like if you saw a basketball on the ground, anybody can pick the basketball up. If there’s a hoop there, they can throw it at it. Right? Right. If you sat back and watched a line of 100 people do it, someone looked like clowns. Someone would be like, “Oh, this guy has some potential.” And then one out of every however many, like, thousand, whatever, would be a Michael Jordan who’s just like, boom, swish. This guy’s a f*ing natural. Right. Got this instinct.

So everyone can do it. Everyone can pick up the ball and throw it at the hoop. And some people have a natural instinct to do it better. And that’s what they were trying to identify, and that’s what they do try to identify.

JOE ROGAN: And the weird one is that people who have had encounters.

DAN FARAH: Yeah. So that to me is like—

JOE ROGAN: Like it breaks through some barrier that you have in your consciousness when they communicate with you. All of a sudden now you have this wall that has been down that allows you to have access to this forgotten aspect of human consciousness or it—

DAN FARAH: Somehow heightens it, you know?

JOE ROGAN: Yeah.

DAN FARAH: The biological effects are real. So we don’t, you know, we know about the bad ones, like cancer, but maybe one of the other ones is it heightens this ability somehow.

JOE ROGAN: Have you ever taken any time into consideration the possibility that human beings were a product of genetic engineering?

The Nature of Reality and Human Origins

DAN FARAH: I mean, it’s kind of impossible, this rabbit hole and not have the thought of, are we just all a big… it’s just a big experiment, and one day the experiment will end.

JOE ROGAN: Or not even just an experiment, but an aiding in a process. Like, they recognize a process where there’s bipedal hominids of various intelligence and they accentuate that.

DAN FARAH: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: And multiple different, probably multiple different attempts.

DAN FARAH: Yeah, I mean, I’ve definitely thought about it. Would explain a lot. There’s all these missing gaps in our history.

JOE ROGAN: Well, that’s also the weirdness of the Book of Enoch.

DAN FARAH: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: The Book of Enoch is essentially describing watchers who come down from the sky and mate with women.

DAN FARAH: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Well, if you told that story for a thousand years, and the real story was they came down, they got a hold of human babies and human mothers and introduce genetics that were alien into these children, that would be like, they mated with women.

DAN FARAH: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: It would be kind of the same thing, you know, and created… Well, they talk about the Nephilim giants who destroyed everything, but that’s kind of us.

Ancient Hieroglyphics and the Roswell Craft

DAN FARAH: Well, the other thing that makes me think of is a number of the people have seen crafts, and it’s Jay Stratton and Lou Elizondo say it in the film that the craft at Roswell had hieroglyphics on it, some kind of ancient writing. And they actually, I didn’t put it in the film, but they talked about how when they learned that to be a fact, they spent a ton of time researching ancient texts and trying to find a match, and they couldn’t find it.

And the closest thing they could find was some old biblical text. But whose hieroglyphics were these? What was that from? Yeah, it’s wild, man.

JOE ROGAN: How much would you give to see one? Please. I’ll stop making documentaries. I won’t talk to nobody. Just show me. Just take me into the hangar and show me this f*ing thing.

DAN FARAH: Spielberg says all these years, the guy made Close Encounters, he made E.T., War of the Worlds, TV shows about it and never seen one. And, you know…

Personal UFO Encounters

JOE ROGAN: Have you had anything that you’ve ever seen that you thought was weird?

DAN FARAH: Yeah. Yeah, I have. I actually, out in Ojai, my fiancé and I were laying on a blanket while I was making this movie, looking at stars, and saw what looked like a satellite. At first I thought it was satellite going slow, and then this thing just f*ing rocketed off way up there.

All it looked like was a star, but it was not a star. It was not a satellite because it moved super fast and just darted across…

JOE ROGAN: The sky out of nowhere.

DAN FARAH: Yeah, up right above the Topa Topa Mountains in Ojai. And then I actually, the next day, we said to the staff, we were on those little golf carts getting drove across this hotel property. And we told him we saw it. And the guy goes, “Yeah, not going to lie, we see that stuff a lot out here.” It’s like, wow, fascinating.

Yeah. But that’s the only thing I ever saw. Other stuff where I’m witnessing firsthand the craziness of this cover up. One of the interview subjects I had at my house in Los Angeles, prepping for an interview. We’re in the middle of sitting in my living room. I live in the suburbs of Los Angeles and what happened is not normal.

Heard very loud helicopter, ran outside, had my phone on me. Look up, and there’s a black helicopter right above my house. And the guy comes out of the house and looks up. And then without missing a beat, I always remember this. He’s like, “Yeah, that’ll happen.” I’m like, what? What the hell does… get into, you know?

Government Surveillance and Intimidation

JOE ROGAN: So they’re essentially letting you know that they know.

DAN FARAH: Yeah, there’s been a bunch of moments like that. Like, yeah, letting you know. That’s the message. I immediately asked people on the Senate Intelligence Committee and Senate Armed Services Committee about that if I should be worried. They’re basically like, they’re just letting you know that they’re aware what you’re doing. It’s them sending a message. They’re watching you, try not to cross any lines. They’re like, that happens to everybody on the Intelligence Committee.

JOE ROGAN: I would imagine that those people, though, kind of want you to succeed, even if they’re letting you… to succeed in…

DAN FARAH: A way where you’re not crossing any lines. And look, I went to great lengths. No one says anything classified on camera for me, there’s none of that. I don’t want to be… I want any part of that. Right, right. They only share what they lawfully can.

And I think that, you know, I assumed after that that every phone call and every email was being observed.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, yeah.

DAN FARAH: And not only did I assume that, but I was told to assume that.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, I’m sure.

DAN FARAH: Yeah. The people on the… so there’s a guy, I’ll give him a shout out. John Estridge, who was on the Senate Intelligence Committee staff, he was a senior staffer for Rubio. He was the guy who really led the charge on looking into this topic for Rubio and Warner on the Senate Intelligence Committee staff.

He was extremely supportive to me behind the scenes, helped vet people for me, helped send introductions my way, helped validate me with Rubio and Rounds. Extremely helpful. He often had that same kind of activity at his house every time he’d have an important meeting. Yeah, yeah. And…

JOE ROGAN: Oh, God. That’ll f*ing put some holes in your sails. Yeah, you know, like, slow down. Maybe, maybe I need to go back to Ready Player Two.

DAN FARAH: Going to go develop an Ocean’s Eleven type movie.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, I’m not interested in f*ing helicopters being over my house.

Opposition and Obstacles

DAN FARAH: No, there’s been… there’s been… Look, there’s a lot of people. I don’t want to go too into it, but as you can imagine, there’s a lot of people that didn’t, that wish this movie didn’t exist, I’m sure.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah.

DAN FARAH: That wish I never made it, of course, that tried to prevent it from getting released and went out of their way to cause problems. There’s a lot of people that fit that description, and I became aware of a lot of them. I became aware of a lot of those concerns.

And I just kind of like, I just kind of put blinders on and like, you know, had tunnel vision. Was like, all right, I’m not doing anything illegal. I’m not going to do anything that’s bad for the United States. I’m not…

JOE ROGAN: I think it’s good for the United States.

DAN FARAH: Yeah, me too.

JOE ROGAN: I think what that film is good for just human beings.

DAN FARAH: Overall.

JOE ROGAN: It’s really important, man. And I’m glad you did it. It was really excellent.

DAN FARAH: Thank you.

JOE ROGAN: I’m glad I got to see it at South by Southwest. And I was like, man, this has got to get distributed. Like, how does this get out there?

Distribution Challenges and Release

DAN FARAH: Yeah. You know, despite South by… We did two screenings. 1,100 seats at the Paramount Theater, standing ovations, lines around the block. The trailer I put out in January quickly got like 20 million views. Despite that, all the major distributors and major streamers, they watched it, they loved it, they said all these great things, but then they didn’t end up… they didn’t end up moving forward.

And, you know, I don’t think it’s naive to think that other parties might have discouraged people.

JOE ROGAN: Yes, I would imagine that. How can people watch it?

DAN FARAH: So on Friday the 21st, which is tomorrow. Which is tomorrow or today, it’ll drop.

JOE ROGAN: Today.

DAN FARAH: Today.

JOE ROGAN: Today. For people listening and watching.

DAN FARAH: Today, February 21st. Jesus. February. Today, November 21st.

JOE ROGAN: They’ve got an amoeba in your brain, bro.

DAN FARAH: Today, November 21st, worldwide, on Prime Video. You can rent it, you can buy it. I made subtitles for every single major language. It’s available in every single country around the world where Prime Video is available. And you can also see it in the movie theater in New York, Los Angeles and D.C.

And I really encourage everyone in the world to watch this thing and make it a conversation with their friends and family. I think it’s the most interesting conversation you can have around Thanksgiving dinner next week.

JOE ROGAN: You know, it is really good, Ben, and you should be very proud of it. And I hope it gets distributed even wider after the success of the Amazon Prime thing, because I think it’s going to take off.

DAN FARAH: Thank you. Yeah, I hope that’s the case. And then, yeah, I do think there’ll be a follow up.

JOE ROGAN: Let’s do that follow up, baby. Come back. And definitely if you do a remote viewing one, too, I want to hear about more.

DAN FARAH: Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Hell yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Thank you very much for being here, man.

DAN FARAH: It was awesome.

JOE ROGAN: And your documentary is really, really excellent.

DAN FARAH: Thank you. Appreciate it.

JOE ROGAN: Bye, everybody.

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