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What Becomes Of The Broken Hearted: Rejuvenating Hearts: Georgina Ellison (Transcript)

Full text of biomedical scientist Georgina Ellison-Hughes’ talk titled “What Becomes Of The Broken Hearted: Rejuvenating Hearts” at TEDxRoyalTunbridgeWells conference. In this talk, she offers a personal touch to her journey of discovering the regenerative potential of the adult heart and describes the use of senolytics to rejuvenate heart repair and regeneration, enabling people to live longer, fuller, healthier lives.

TRANSCRIPT:

Georgina Ellison-Hughes – Biomedical scientist

My first love was my grandfather. He was the kindest, most generous and loving man, and my brother and sisters used to say that I was his favorite.

He suffered a fatal heart attack at the age of 79 when I was 16, and I was mortified. At the time, my mother told me that he died because it was his age, he was old, and he had a bad heart and it just couldn’t hold out any longer. And the classic that you always hear: ‘He had a good innings.’

My heart hurt.

Like his grandfather, my grandfather would have liked me to have gone into law. He was so proud that out of seven grandchildren, I was the one to be the lawyer. His favorite, the lawyer.

I liked the idea. But after his death, I had other ideas. I had many questions. I wanted to understand, why couldn’t his heart hold out any longer, and what role does age play in the health of our hearts?

What if we could have a better and longer innings? If I could find out the answers to my questions, I could stop grandfathers and grandmothers being taken away from us too soon.

I wanted to be a scientist. So my journey began with a PhD sponsored by the British Heart Foundation, and it was during this time that I discovered something remarkable.

So rather than cardiac or heart muscle, it all started with skeletal muscle, which are the muscles that allow us to move. I was investigating the ability of skeletal muscle to repair and regenerate and form new muscle cells after injury.

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With a microscope, I was identifying these small, immature regenerating muscle cells that express proteins that were reflective of them being newly born or newly formed, and they look like this.

Now, switching to the heart, which, at this time, which was 2002, was considered to be a postmitotic organ. Now, this means that your heart doesn’t have any abilities to make new heart muscle cells. So the heart cells you’re born with are the same ones that you are going to die with.

At this time, it was thought there was no heart muscle cell regeneration or renewal taking place in the adult heart.

So in every experiment, you need a control sample, a sample where you do not expect anything to happen, and then you compare to the sample where you do expect something to happen to your control sample.

So my PhD supervisor advised me to use heart tissue in my experiments as my control sample, because the heart cannot make new heart muscle cells, so I did.

I did my experiment. But every time I did my experiment, I kept seeing these small, immature, regenerating muscle cells that express those same proteins, and they look like this.

So I went to my PhD supervisor. He told me to repeat the experiment, so I did.

And being a scientist, I repeated the experiment many, many, many, many times, but I just kept seeing them, they just kept popping up. I mean there wasn’t loads of them, but there was like one or two of them per field of view, and hey, for an organ that can’t regenerate, there’s definitely something going on here.

So I went to literature and I did some reading, and I read a paper that had been published by a group in America, where they have showed these small, immature, regenerating heart muscle cells in the adult human heart after injury.

Well, could I be seeing the same cells in my experiments?

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Now, it just so happened that my PhD supervisor, he knew one of the investigators that was doing this work in America. So he wrote to him and he told him about my findings.

The next thing I knew, I was on a plane to New York for a three-month lab visit to understand more about the regenerative capacity of the adult heart. That three months turned into four years. I graduated my PhD, and I trained with some of the greatest scientific and inspiring minds to discover that the adult heart has a rare population of resident stem cells that can give rise to new heart cells.

My biggest and strongest contribution to understanding the role of cardiac stem cells in heart repair and regeneration came through exploring a rare cardiac condition called ‘broken heart syndrome’.

Now, I’ve suffered a broken heart, and I believe that some time or another, we’ve all suffered a broken heart. So your boyfriend or your girlfriend dumps you, your whole world’s going to end, literally.

Loved one dies, grandfather dies suddenly, and your whole world comes crashing down. Your heart hurts, or something biological does actually happen to your heart following emotional distress, and people can literally suffer from a broken heart.

So what I discovered was that in broken heart syndrome, a small number of heart muscle cells in a particular location in your heart, they die, and then this can affect the ability of your heart to pump blood, and your heart goes into failure for a small amount of time.

But remarkably, in broken heart syndrome, the resident stem cells in your heart are able to regenerate and replace those cells that are lost, and your heart recovers.

Now, this whole process can take between two to three months to fully get back to normal, which ironically, could be about the same time it takes your emotional state to recover too.

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Now I know what you’re thinking. You’re thinking to yourself, ‘Well, if there’re stem cells in the heart that can regenerate new heart cells and the heart recovers, then why do people actually die from a heart attack?

Why can people actually die from broken heart syndrome?

Well, I ask myself these questions all the time, and they’re in the back of my mind in every experiment that we do. And I can tell you that there are many, many, many reasons, but one of those reasons is age, old age.

So aging is the greatest risk factor for many life-threatening disorders, including cardiovascular disease, neurodegeneration, and cancer. As we age, our cells age. They become dysfunctional or abnormal.

Aging leads to an increase in a phenomenon known as cellular senescence in several tissues, including the heart. These senescent cells, they have a limited ability to replicate. They build up in our bodies, and they refuse to die.

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