Editor’s Notes: In this exclusive interview, Oprah Winfrey sits down with Kristin Cabot to reveal the untold story behind the viral “Coldplay Kiss Cam” moment that swept the internet. Kristin, who was seen on the jumbotron with her CEO, opens up about the “ritual shaming” and death threats she endured after the brief clip sparked worldwide judgment. She clarifies the reality of her personal life at the time and discusses the devastating impact the viral fallout had on her career and her children. This conversation serves as a poignant look at the human cost of digital vitriol and the double standards often faced by women in the public eye. (Mar 17, 2026)
TRANSCRIPT:
Introduction
OPRAH WINFREY: Hi there and thank you for joining me here on the Oprah Podcast. My guest today is Kristin Cabot. And while you may not recognize her name, I am guessing that you will recognize her face from the most viewed video of 2025. The so-called Coldplay Kiss Cam has been watched 300 billion times. Doesn’t that shock you? It shocked me.
And when I was told, your mouth is open, that’s exactly, that’s exactly what I did. When I was told it’d been watched 300 billion times, I said, “How is that possible? There’s only 8 billion of us on the planet.” Well, it’s because people watched it over and over and over. It was made into countless TikTok memes and recreated at sporting events and concerts around the world.
And in just 15 seconds of footage, Kristin found herself in the eye of a public spectacle. A storm that swept the Internet in a matter of hours. And she is the woman seen on the Jumbotron at a Coldplay concert in Boston in the arms of her boss and CEO, Andy Byron. And Kristin was the head of HR.
And for Kristin, those 15 viral seconds — really 15 viral seconds — opened up an unstoppable floodgate of people mocking her, vitriol and even death threats. And this past December, she first broke her silence to Lisa Miller of the New York Times. And the headline read, “The Ritual Shaming of the Woman at the Coldplay Concert.”
Kristin Cabot, welcome. Thank you for agreeing to do this.
KRISTIN CABOT: Thank you for having me. Thank you.
Why Kristin Decided to Speak Out
OPRAH WINFREY: So after reading Lisa Miller’s article, I asked my team to reach out to you and you were hesitant. But then we had a conversation on Zoom and you decided that this would be the only on-camera interview that you’re planning to give. Why did you decide to be here today?
KRISTIN CABOT: Yeah, first, I want to thank you for having me. I was reluctant to come, but I’m really grateful to be here. For me, my mom always taught us silence as acceptance. I think I mentioned that in the article. And for me and my family, what happened was not okay. And I felt like by remaining silent, it was somehow accepting what had happened.
And I really felt also there’s a lot of people out there that experienced something similar that didn’t either have the strength to come forward or were too traumatized or lost their lives due to some of the things I experienced. And I feel a sense of responsibility for those people to speak out and share what it’s really like when people carelessly comment, click like, and the damage that it can really do.
Oprah’s Own Initial Reaction
OPRAH WINFREY: So, yes, you and I spoke on Zoom. I said, first of all, before the story and the times, I didn’t know the story. I was like everybody else. I didn’t watch it hundreds of times or even more than once, but I made the judgment that you had made a mistake and you’re out with your boss. And I did not know the crucial part of that story that was left missing from all of the TikToks that were shared. I’m going to let you share that. So take us back to the night of the Coldplay concert and the decision to go to the Coldplay concert.
The Backstory: Separation, Connection, and the Concert
KRISTIN CABOT: Yeah, that’s a great question. So I had been going through — I’ll go a little bit before that.
OPRAH WINFREY: Yeah, go before that. That’s okay.
KRISTIN CABOT: So maybe four to six weeks prior to the Coldplay concert, my husband and I had decided to separate and were living apart and planning for a divorce. And Andy Byron, my boss at the time, he and I had a very close working relationship. For anyone that’s worked in tech in a high-growth startup, they’ll understand that the chief people officer and the CEO are partners. We work side by side around the clock. It was a high-growth startup that was growing at 100% year over year. We were hiring like crazy. And so we were really in it together and spent a ton of time together.
And it was around the time that Andrew and I — my husband — had separated. And Andy, the same name, so forgive me. Try to keep up here. Andy and I had gone out to grab sandwiches during the workday, and he asked me — I seemed a little off, and he just said, “What’s going on?” And I said, “Well, my husband and I are separating and planning a divorce.”
And he immediately let me know that he was in the exact same situation — that he and his wife were living apart, they were planning for a divorce, and it had been many years in the making. So that became like a really instant kind of point of connection for us. And over the next few weeks to a month, that was a place that was really great for me to be able to go to talk about what I was going through, and I was a good, safe space for him.
OPRAH WINFREY: Did you both talk about what it was like going through the separation?
KRISTIN CABOT: We did.
So leading up to the concert — at that point, we started talking a lot more about personal things and kids and how it’s going and all of that, in addition to the busy and frequent work conversations.
OPRAH WINFREY: Were you having more lunches? Was it becoming —
KRISTIN CABOT: Yeah, yes, we were. It just felt like a really familiar, safe place to talk about what was going on. And it’s so much easier when someone else is in it, in the same experience — we can share that. So we developed feelings for each other during that time.
OPRAH WINFREY: Were you attracted to each other?
KRISTIN CABOT: Yes, absolutely. And that’s why, when people would say, “Oh, they didn’t look like friends on the video,” — that was the culmination point of feelings that had developed over the course of four to six weeks, I would say.
The First Physical Contact
OPRAH WINFREY: Okay, so when we spoke over Zoom, you said that was the first time you all had done anything publicly. That’s the first time you’d actually shared any kind of physical touch.
KRISTIN CABOT: Yeah.
OPRAH WINFREY: Physical touch, yeah. So at the Coldplay concert, first time.
KRISTIN CABOT: Yes. I’ll explain. I’m here to share what really happened. I know there’s a lot of context there. So I had friends that had gotten tickets to the show. They asked if I wanted to join. They had two extra seats. I never go out, so it’s kind of a joke amongst my friends, let alone on a weeknight. I’m usually with my kids or I’m working. And I had just gone through a pretty tough period. And I was like, “You know what? It’s summer, it’s a weeknight. I’m going to go see — I love Coldplay — I’m going to go.”
I’ll be honest, I loved Coldplay, but that kind of got ruined for me. I’m not the biggest fan anymore. And it was just such a no-brainer to invite Andy. When I say we would talk like 10 times a day, that was even before this connection started. It’s just the nature of our job and our working relationship. Plus we were enjoying spending time together.
OPRAH WINFREY: I just want to be clear — what time had you spent together before? Lunches?
KRISTIN CABOT: Lunches at work.
OPRAH WINFREY: So everything had been business up until the Coldplay concert.
KRISTIN CABOT: Yes, yes, yes. Absolutely. Though we had had a lot of personal conversations and had acknowledged that we had feelings for each other. Also, it was becoming apparent to me that we were putting ourselves in a situation where it was going to get risky from a work standpoint. I mean, I reported to him. My role is to actually be aware of those things happening at work and flagging when it might cause a problem.
The Plan to Go to the Board
OPRAH WINFREY: So was there — I always say that there’s a whisper and then there’s a pebble and a brick. Was there a little whisper saying, “We should tell somebody,” or “We should —”
KRISTIN CABOT: It was more than a whisper. It was like a real conversation where we sat down and said, “We have to figure out a plan for this,” because these feelings were real. This wasn’t like a fleeting thing. And we decided that we put kind of a plan together, but we wanted to propose to our board of directors that would change the reporting structure.
OPRAH WINFREY: Didn’t you tell me that you were thinking about going to the board, or you all were going to go to the board?
KRISTIN CABOT: Yeah. We ironically met probably five or six days before the concert. We had a lengthy lunch to talk about this and to make a plan.
OPRAH WINFREY: The plan was to go to the board.
KRISTIN CABOT: To go to the board and let them know that we had developed feelings for one another and that we wanted to change —
OPRAH WINFREY: It was consensual.
KRISTIN CABOT: It was consensual, which is an important point, 100%. And we wanted to propose a plan for what might work to, take this reporting line out of the equation.
OPRAH WINFREY: Meaning you reporting to him.
KRISTIN CABOT: Meaning no longer reporting to him. No longer reporting. According to one of our investors. Something like that.
OPRAH WINFREY: All right, that makes sense.
KRISTIN CABOT: It seemed like it made sense at the time. It felt like the right thing to do. And then I got the invitation to Coldplay. I invited him to come. It was sort of a non-decision. It was just kind of like, “How we got tickets — do you want to come?” And he’s like, “Great, let’s go.” And I thought, we’ve kept it —
OPRAH WINFREY: Why didn’t you ask one of your girlfriends?
KRISTIN CABOT: Well, I was already going with my two best friends, who may or may not be in the audience right now. One of them was already going and the other one is the one that offered me the ticket.
OPRAH WINFREY: Okay.
KRISTIN CABOT: And it just — he’s the one I wanted to hang out with. We had a blast together. And we’d been keeping it together. Like, I can go to work and be normal. I can go to a concert and be normal. Until I couldn’t, obviously. But it just seemed like a fun plan.
OPRAH WINFREY: Got it. So he said yes.
KRISTIN CABOT: He said yes, obviously.
OPRAH WINFREY: And this was the first time socially you all had done something socially other than meeting for lunches and discussing business —
KRISTIN CABOT: — and grabbing drinks after work with colleagues and things like that. Yeah.
A Surprise at the Concert
OPRAH WINFREY: So you get to the concert and what happened?
KRISTIN CABOT: Well, I was walking into the concert and my daughter messaged me and said, “Oh, it’s so great that you and Andrew are both at Coldplay.” So she let me know that my estranged husband was also at the concert.
OPRAH WINFREY: So I think it’s very important — this is what I did not know before the story, and y’all obviously didn’t know either — that she was separated from her husband and that her boss was also separated, or said he was separated, from his wife. Did you all know that? Okay, all right. Or that her husband was there. This is the thing. So you get texted — you get texted from one of your children?
KRISTIN CABOT: Yeah. My daughter was like, “This is so fun.” And in my mind I thought, “Is this going to be weird if he sees me with Andy?”
OPRAH WINFREY: Like, that crosses — or you run into him?
KRISTIN CABOT: Yeah, if I run into him. But then I was like, “I’m in Gillette Stadium, there’s 55,000 people here. I’m probably not going to run into him.” But it doesn’t matter. I mean, that would have been better at the end of the day if I just run into him. He knows — he knows how closely Andy and I work together. He knows we socially got lunches and got drinks. It was fine.
OPRAH WINFREY: So he knew that there was a relationship there.
KRISTIN CABOT: Yes.
OPRAH WINFREY: He just —
KRISTIN CABOT: He knows the nature of my work and the way the. Really. I’ve shared desks with the CEOs I’ve worked with. Like, it’s just a very close. And so it didn’t matter to me.
OPRAH WINFREY: I got to get to the moment.
KRISTIN CABOT: You got to get there.
OPRAH WINFREY: You all hadn’t touched. That’s what you said to us earlier. You hadn’t even touched.
KRISTIN CABOT: Well, we did that evening before we got. I mean, we started to touch before it was on camera, but that. Yeah, okay.
OPRAH WINFREY: But that was the first time you all had physically touched each other. Correct. Okay.
KRISTIN CABOT: Other than like a tap. You know, when you’re chatting with someone and you.
OPRAH WINFREY: Okay.
KRISTIN CABOT: Yeah.
OPRAH WINFREY: So what made you do it then?
The Crush and the Concert
KRISTIN CABOT: I had a really big crush on him, Oprah. And so did he. I mean, we. These were like really incredible feelings. And I don’t know women that could relate to this, but I had been going through a really tough time. I was coming out of a separation, and it felt really good to get attention and affection from an awesome man, you know? It felt good.
OPRAH WINFREY: You’re giving out a key point here that you shared with me on the Zoom. High Noons.
KRISTIN CABOT: I would love to talk about the High Noons.
OPRAH WINFREY: Yeah.
KRISTIN CABOT: Can we take a moment.
OPRAH WINFREY: Look at Gayle going, “What is that?” Gayle has never drank anything other than. I like a good Shirley Taylor. She likes a good Shirley Tilt. So she just looked at. I saw you, Lou, “What is a High Noon?”
The High Noons
KRISTIN CABOT: I want to talk about the High Noons. Because that became a big, big topic on the Internet for some reason. I told Lisa Miller in the New York Times article that, you know, I’d had a couple of High Noons, and we were dancing and we got swept up.
OPRAH WINFREY: All you need is a couple.
KRISTIN CABOT: I only had two, so.
OPRAH WINFREY: Well, I mean, two. That make you feel like.
KRISTIN CABOT: Well, that’s.
OPRAH WINFREY: Gayle used to ask me all the time, “I see you getting yourself all liquored up. What does it do for you?” “I’m not getting liquored up, Gayle. It’s just a vodka tonic.” Okay. So it does make you. Gayle. Alcohol makes you feel a little looser. Whiskey. Frisky.
KRISTIN CABOT: Not.
OPRAH WINFREY: Not even frisky. It just. It’s just a little looser.
KRISTIN CABOT: A little looser. And my only. Yeah, my only point in mentioning it to Lisa Miller, had I known what would have happened. Because suddenly I’m blaming it on alcohol and suddenly none of that is true.
I simply mentioned it to, like, set the tone of the vibe. Like, you’re at a concert, it’s summer, a couple of High Noons, you’re dancing, you’re having fun. Everybody, maybe except for you, Gayle, has done that and knows what I mean. Like, it’s a good. It’s just an easy, like a fun feeling. And that’s. That was the vibe that we had, and that’s why I shared it. And by the way, I think, well,
OPRAH WINFREY: Gayle Willis said, “Do you have a lemonade? And could you add a dash of cranberry juice?”
KRISTIN CABOT: Yeah, yeah.
OPRAH WINFREY: Ooh, yeah. So wild. So a couple of High Noons, you’re feeling really great and you’re at a concert and you love Coldplay and everything’s going well.
KRISTIN CABOT: It felt really good.
OPRAH WINFREY: Yes.
The Moment on the Jumbotron
KRISTIN CABOT: It also, I should note, it felt really anonymous. And I feel like I need to explain that too, because it didn’t look that way on the video.
Where we were was at the complete opposite end of Gillette Stadium from the stage. We were in an area called. I think it was called the Pavilion, but it’s a big general. It’s a sectioned off area where there’s no seats. It’s general admission in this section, and it holds about 250 people. So we were in that area and we were kind of up at the front of the. Near the railing and. But we were with a group and with friends.
So we were dancing and talking and it was really dark and it just. We got very swept up and it didn’t feel in any way that we were risking being. And it wasn’t even calculated where we thought to ourselves, like, “No one’s looking. Let’s put our hands on each other.” It wasn’t that. It was just. It just was a natural.
OPRAH WINFREY: Okay, so let’s go to that moment that we have all seen. Have you all seen it? Okay, let’s go to the moment we’ve all seen. So you’re swaying. I don’t even remember the song, do you?
KRISTIN CABOT: Yes.
OPRAH WINFREY: What was the song?
KRISTIN CABOT: Yellow.
OPRAH WINFREY: Okay. That’s Gayle’s “Yellow.”
KRISTIN CABOT: I used to love “Yellow,” Gayle.
OPRAH WINFREY: So you’re swaying to the song, and then you suddenly see yourself on the Jumbotron. You turned around, he ducked. Okay, so you see yourself. Take us to that moment.
KRISTIN CABOT: Yeah, that was a moment of total horror, is really the best way I can describe it. My immediate thought was, “Oh, my God, my husband’s in the building.” He was there with someone else. And I knew that and that was great and fine. But he and I were in the midst of our separation, incredibly amicable. Like, to this day, he’s been one of the biggest supporters of me through all of this. He’s an incredible man. And the last thing I wanted to do was embarrass him. And that was my first thought when I saw myself in that. In that moment.
OPRAH WINFREY: Isn’t there an instance when you’re looking at yourself on the Jumbotron? Because I remember Gayle and I had gone to an event, Gayle, Maria Shriver and I, and for the Pope. And there is Gayle on the. Remember, you saw yourself and you said, “Who said red haired woman?” And I go, “That red haired black woman.”
KRISTIN CABOT: That would be you.
OPRAH WINFREY: And so is there a moment when you say to yourself, “Oh, my God, that’s me?”
KRISTIN CABOT: Yes. Yeah. There was like a split second where it was like, almost. I mean, to me it’s like surreal. I can’t even really remember, but I do remember looking and being like, “Oh, my God.” Like I said, worse than that. I mean, in my head.
But my initial thought was, “Oh, my God, Andrew’s here.” And my second thought was, “Oh, my God, I’m in the arms of my boss and I’m the head of HR. Like, this is a really bad look.” Yeah. Everybody assumed I was horrified because it meant somehow I got busted having an affair. Like, that is not what was happening. I felt like those two reasons were big enough for me in that moment to be really horrified.
OPRAH WINFREY: Did you even hear?
KRISTIN CABOT: No. So I wanted to share that too. So we were all like, dancing and you know when there’s music playing and you’re talking, you’re kind of whispering in people’s ears or yelling in their ears. We were talking with my friends too, and we didn’t hear Chris Martin say, “We’re going to pan the audience.” Like, we never heard him warn that he was doing that. And we never heard him say, “They must be shy,” or “They’re having an affair.”
I had no idea he said that until like days later or the next day. I don’t remember. It was a blur after that night. But I didn’t know that at all. I whipped around like, Oprah, if we were at a Celtics game and we got put on the Jumbotron, I’m going to whip around. I’m not a Jumbotron girl. Even on my best days, it’s not my thing.
OPRAH WINFREY: Yeah.
KRISTIN CABOT: So I would have probably done some version of that, but in that moment, I was just horrified.
OPRAH WINFREY: And your first thought was Andrew, your husband.
KRISTIN CABOT: And my job.
OPRAH WINFREY: And your job. Yeah. And the irony of the whole thing, or that naivete of the whole thing, is the entire ride home, we were in an SUV, group of us. I was. All I was worried about was Andrew. I kept saying, “Maybe he left early, maybe he didn’t see it.” That was what I thought was the biggest problem I had on my hands.
OPRAH WINFREY: Why were you worried if you were already separated?
KRISTIN CABOT: Because we were in the middle of going through our divorce planning and it was going really. We were doing it in a really amicable way.
OPRAH WINFREY: He was there with somebody.
KRISTIN CABOT: He was there with somebody. But I didn’t. Andrew comes from an incredibly private family in the Boston area. And I just knew in my head, like, the public embarrassment is not something that would have gone over well.
The Aftermath
OPRAH WINFREY: Okay, so your first thought was Andrew. What did you all do immediately afterwards? So you turned around and Andy Byron ducked. Your boss at the time ducked.
KRISTIN CABOT: Yes.
OPRAH WINFREY: And then did you all immediately leave the stadium?
KRISTIN CABOT: So he and I left the area, the general admission area behind that had. Indoors had like a bar area and some like tables set up.
OPRAH WINFREY: Did you leave with your friends or did you know.
KRISTIN CABOT: He and I left the standing room area, went through the doors and sat down at one of those tables and we’re just like, “What just happened? Okay, what is going. What could this. What is going to happen?” And. Or what. What is. What happened? Yeah, I don’t know how to explain.
And that’s when I was like, “Oh, my God.” And you know, he was going through his head of what he was worried about. I was thinking about my stuff. And then it was really towards the end of the concert and in about the end of that song, I think my friends came through the door and they’re like, “Let’s just get out of here.” And so we all left the stadium.
OPRAH WINFREY: And what were they thinking?
KRISTIN CABOT: They were just like, “Oh, my God, I cannot believe. This is like getting struck by lightning. How did this even. How on earth. And I can’t believe that just happened to you. That’s like the worst luck.”
And then we were in the elevator heading down, and a woman in the elevator was like, “Wait, was that you on the Jumbotron?” And I was like, “No.” And then my friend Elena looked at me and was like, “Is that what we’re saying? Like, are we. We’re saying no, that wasn’t you. Like, what do we. Should we huddle up on this?” But we just didn’t know what. We had no concept that this was okay.
OPRAH WINFREY: So you were worried about your husband, who you’re separating from.
KRISTIN CABOT: Yes.
OPRAH WINFREY: And the woman that he’s there with?
KRISTIN CABOT: I wasn’t really worried about that. I mean, I was just. I didn’t want to embarrass him, and I didn’t want to worry about your husband.
OPRAH WINFREY: You worried about your husband that you are now separated from? Was he worried about anything?
KRISTIN CABOT: No. You mean. Do you mean Andy?
OPRAH WINFREY: Andy. Andy Byron?
KRISTIN CABOT: Oh, yes.
OPRAH WINFREY: What did he say he was worried about?
KRISTIN CABOT: I mean, I don’t want to speak for him, but I think, you know, we in that area. I think, you know, he’s going through his own separation and divorce. I think he’s not looking to. Your boss. That was the other big. I mean, it’s really not. It’s really bad in our roles to have been caught in that position.
OPRAH WINFREY: Yeah.
KRISTIN CABOT: And that was, you know, we. We do live in the area. The company was based in New York, but we’ve both had 25 or so 30 years in our career in that area. And no.
“I Made a Mistake, But I Didn’t Deserve to Die for It”
OPRAH WINFREY: One thing I want to share with you all. When I had. I had only one other conversation with Kristin on Zoom prior to this interview, a couple months ago now. And the one thing that I appreciated in that conversation, which you can share here, is that you kept saying, “I made a mistake. It was a mistake. I shouldn’t have been out with my boss. But it wasn’t a mistake that I deserved to die for.”
KRISTIN CABOT: Correct.
OPRAH WINFREY: It wasn’t a mistake that I deserved to have people coming up to me on the street and saying I should die because of it. It wasn’t a mistake that deserved people threatening me and threatening my children. It was a mistake. So that’s what you told me.
KRISTIN CABOT: That’s right.
OPRAH WINFREY: Do you still feel that? That it was a mistake?
The Aftermath: Going Viral Overnight
KRISTIN CABOT: Absolutely. And I’ve been telling anyone that will listen. I own the poor decision that I made in that moment, and I’ve paid an unimaginable price for that. That was why I chose to leave my job, because I think I put the company in a position, given how viral and toxic this became, a position you can’t come back from.
OPRAH WINFREY: Okay, so let’s go back to it. Just walk us through it. You all leave. You’re like, what just happened? And then what happened?
KRISTIN CABOT: So we all piled into an SUV — we had all ridden together and there were six of us. It was a pretty tense car ride home. I was hand wringing over Andrew C. Looking at it now, what I was most worried about — Andy was pretty quiet in the car. And our friends, nobody thought it was like, “Oh, that was such bad luck. Hopefully no one really saw anything.”
Drafting the Email to the Board
OPRAH WINFREY: Okay, so tell everybody. You get home and you’re thinking, “We are going to tell the board tomorrow. We’re going to go to the board and tell them.”
KRISTIN CABOT: Yes.
OPRAH WINFREY: So you all come — didn’t you come up with a…
KRISTIN CABOT: He came to my apartment. Andy did.
OPRAH WINFREY: Yes.
KRISTIN CABOT: And we were like, we have to —
OPRAH WINFREY: — come up with a statement.
KRISTIN CABOT: We have to talk to the board immediately.
OPRAH WINFREY: Did you come up with a statement?
KRISTIN CABOT: No, we drafted an email together to send to the board from both of us, to say we need to speak very first thing in the morning. Most of our board — actually all, all but one — run the west coast. So we wanted to make sure they would —
OPRAH WINFREY: Drafted an email to send to the board.
KRISTIN CABOT: That’s right.
OPRAH WINFREY: And then you go home and you go to sleep.
KRISTIN CABOT: Again, not really thinking. Yeah.
The Middle-of-the-Night Wake-Up Call
OPRAH WINFREY: And in the middle of the night…
KRISTIN CABOT: In the middle of the night, I got a message from Andrew — my husband. I feel like I need to keep qualifying because they’re the same name.
OPRAH WINFREY: Yes, of course.
KRISTIN CABOT: He sent me a text with a snapshot of a TikTok video and said — I don’t remember the exact words, but it was like, “Houston, we have a problem here.” He really wanted to get to me so I could get to my kids before they — who were teenagers — before they woke up and got on their phones and saw it.
OPRAH WINFREY: Right. So your teenagers are not his children.
KRISTIN CABOT: Correct.
OPRAH WINFREY: But your children have a great relationship with him.
KRISTIN CABOT: Incredible.
OPRAH WINFREY: You all had been married how many years?
KRISTIN CABOT: Less than two years. We met during COVID and he immediately built an incredible bond with my kids. And they’re very close still today.
The Video Blows Up the Internet
OPRAH WINFREY: Okay, so how did you find out that the video had blown up the Internet?
KRISTIN CABOT: I’m trying to remember. That next day was so hard.
OPRAH WINFREY: So when Andrew calls you and says, “We have a problem” —
KRISTIN CABOT: “This is happening on TikTok.” I’m not on any of those apps, so I didn’t see it. I couldn’t see it personally. I had no sense for it initially. I’ve never had TikTok or anything like that, but he let me know.
OPRAH WINFREY: You didn’t know what it was.
KRISTIN CABOT: Yeah. And then in the morning, by 7 —
OPRAH WINFREY: — or 8am. Can you all imagine this? Can you imagine it?
KRISTIN CABOT: My phone started — a lot of phone calls started coming in from my friends. All my close friends were just like, “Something’s going on here.” I wish I could remember how long it took from being kind of a problem to realizing it was —
OPRAH WINFREY: — time to hit send to the board.
KRISTIN CABOT: Yeah, well, we did have a call with the board immediately, and they had already heard about it at that point. They were actually really understanding and we had a really good conversation about it.
OPRAH WINFREY: He resigned.
KRISTIN CABOT: He hadn’t resigned yet. He did that a few days later.
OPRAH WINFREY: And then — did they offer you — they wanted you to stay?
KRISTIN CABOT: Yes.
OPRAH WINFREY: They wanted you to stay?
KRISTIN CABOT: Yes, they did.
OPRAH WINFREY: How are you going to stay?
KRISTIN CABOT: Well, that’s the problem. That was the conversation I had with them. Had it not gone so viral and gotten so toxic, I would have gone back in and taken the punch and stood up in front of the company and said, “I’m a human. I made a really poor choice, but we’re building something incredible. Let’s get back to it,” and hoped that they would be okay with that.
But that was not an option. I did not feel like I could go in and say, “Hey, everybody, do as I say, but not as I do.” I felt like it would put everybody in such a bad situation and it just wasn’t fair to the employees. I appreciated that the board was behind me, and I appreciated that they did go through an HR investigation and it yielded nothing. At least internally, I got that support. But it wasn’t viable. It wasn’t fair to ask the employees.
Why Did It Explode the Way It Did?
OPRAH WINFREY: So why do you think that this went off like a bomb? Was it Chris Martin’s comments in that moment — that maybe you were having an affair? Was it the fact that Andy Byron ducked, or that you turned around? Was it that he was the CEO and you’re the head of HR? What is it?
KRISTIN CABOT: I think it was a whole combination. I’ve thought a lot about that. It was a combination of all of those things. I felt, in the initial moments, I’m sure it was funny to people. I can appreciate that. I’ve certainly seen funny things online and forwarded them around and clicked on them. I just don’t think people stop and think about — there are real humans behind this, there’s a life there, and it is incredibly destructive.
And listen, I’ve seen funny things and sent them around too, probably not giving it a ton of thought before this happened. I’m thinking very differently now. But I think people thought it was funny. I think our world — news is a really sad thing to watch. I think we are constantly inundated with bad news.
OPRAH WINFREY: I’ve heard some people say that that video, seen 300 billion times by only 8 billion people on the planet, was the thing that united people — that people were united in their judgment. And I feel bad for us as human beings that that’s what we did to you.
KRISTIN CABOT: Thank you.
OPRAH WINFREY: We were all united in the judgment of whatever it is you were doing — you shouldn’t have been doing it. And we could all actually agree on that without knowing the story behind the story. And I heard that there were people that advised you that everything would blow over in three days. Who the hell told you that?
The Advice to Stay Quiet
KRISTIN CABOT: I wish I could say, because you’d all be shocked. But it’s a very prominent person in public relations that I spoke to, who said to me, “You have triggered such an avalanche of hate for whatever reason, that people are not going to be open to hearing from you right now. They’re not going to believe what you say. Your best bet is to stay quiet, keep your head down, let some time pass, and then speak up.”
This is not my world. I don’t know. And I really believed what she said. I could tell that there was so much hate. I thought maybe that is better.
OPRAH WINFREY: Why do you think there was so much hate?
The Gendered Nature of the Backlash
KRISTIN CABOT: That’s been one of the hardest things for me to reconcile, because nobody knows me. Nobody that judged this knows me. So it wasn’t really me. I think a lot of people have had not-great interactions with HR. I think there’s some piece of it that’s like, “Stick it to the HR lady.” I get it — that’s kind of funny. I think it was incredibly cliche on every level, like the CEO and the Chief People Officer. And I think — I don’t know — hurt people hurt people. And I think there’s a lot of —
OPRAH WINFREY: — hurt people. 300 billion times.
So the New York Times wrote that she’s been called — quote — “a slut, a homewrecker, a gold digger, a side piece. The usual tags for shaming women,” is what Lisa Miller wrote. And you told me that you believe that women are apt to, quote, “eat each other alive,” and that most of your criticism has actually come from other women — that other women are the only ones who dare to come up to your face and say horrible things.
KRISTIN CABOT: That’s right. Yeah. That was, for me — other than obviously my concern for what my kids experienced — that was, to me, the most upsetting piece of all of this. I had no idea how unwell we are as a gender, still.
I think I was living in a really lovely, naive bubble in some ways, where I have surrounded myself with — and I’m so fortunate to be surrounded by — incredible women that have supported me through thick and thin. I do the same for them. Women that tear each other down — that’s not been my own experience. And at work, I’ve been really intentional about the women that work with and for me — bringing them along in their career, giving opportunity, mentoring and helping them.
It was such a shock to me. I think I was told that 90% of the online comments and hate came from women. Every single interaction I had in person, and there were many, were all women, like you said.
OPRAH WINFREY: Since we had our conversation, I was thinking about this — and I say this not just because Gayle is here, but it’s pretty publicly known that Gayle went through a divorce and her husband had an affair. And Gayle always says that there are a lot of members of that club — a lot of women who are a part of that club of partners who betrayed them with other women.
And I think that for a lot of women, you became the face of that. Do you think that you became the face of the woman who took my husband — the woman who would take my husband? Is that where the hate is coming from?
KRISTIN CABOT: I agree with that.
OPRAH WINFREY: And I also think that if you looked differently, you would have probably had another outcome. I think you are the blonde ideal, the girl next door — all of that. Am I being truthful here? I think it’s the whole package. It’s not one thing, it’s everything.
KRISTIN CABOT: I do think there was something people attached to me that triggered things within themselves. Now that I sit here, I don’t think they really know me. It can’t really be me — but it’s something I represent. I think about my own triggers and things that are unhealed inside of me. I try to think, what makes me feel a certain way? It’s my own fears that are not quite healed, I think.
A Double Standard
OPRAH WINFREY: So the question is — did he get the same kind of vitriol? Andy Byron, your boss — were people coming up to him?
KRISTIN CABOT: No, not at all.
OPRAH WINFREY: Attacking him? Attacking his children?
KRISTIN CABOT: No.
OPRAH WINFREY: Yeah.
The Impact on Her Career and Identity
KRISTIN CABOT: And I mean, just thinking about starting from the very beginning, every single part of my physical appearance was picked apart. There were stories written about jewelry I was wearing and who bought it for me and how much it cost. When one of my best friends is a jewelry designer and I’ve bought everything for myself that she made me. And my hairdresser — somebody found that — and that turned into a whole thing where she was dragged for giving me crappy highlights, and she got lit up for that.
Just everything about how I look, to how I was dressed, to how I behave, to the sleeping my way to the top, to the gold digger, to all the words that Lisa used. The husband stealer. Which, by the way, that expression really bugs me. And I’m not trying to make light, obviously, of adultery. It’s not that. But this notion of women stealing men — like, I would walk in and duct tape and zip tie a guy and, like, unwittingly drag him out. Like, the man has no role in this.
And for me, I was the face of all of this. There was no one talking about Andy’s hair, shirt, watch. There was no one questioning — I mean, maybe anyone here can correct me — I never read or heard anything about, “Wow, did he become a CEO by sleeping his way to the top?” No. And that’s all anyone would say about me. It was unfathomable that I might have achieved and worked and hustled and built a career I’m incredibly proud of. That was not on the table.
Hatred Before They Even Knew Her
OPRAH WINFREY: Your best friend, I heard, told you that these people hated you before they even knew you. Do you think that’s true? What do you think that is?
KRISTIN CABOT: Yeah, I think that’s what you touched on a few minutes ago. I think I’ve represented something for people that they were afraid of in that moment, and I can have empathy for that. I think if you’re going to snap to a judgment — I don’t have empathy for people snapping to a quick judgment and just assuming and using zero critical thinking skills. But I do have understanding for why that would trigger people. So I’m trying to—
OPRAH WINFREY: Because you look like you look.
KRISTIN CABOT: No, because I think the way the story was narrated for me, without my input, was that I’m having an affair with my boss, and we’re running around and we’re on the company credit card buying tickets. It’s probably what a lot of women worry about when their husbands are out on work. I get that. I can understand that.
The Impact on Her Children
OPRAH WINFREY: Yeah. So you share custody of your two children with your first husband. And how has this impacted your children?
KRISTIN CABOT: That’s the — this is the tough one. It was a nightmare.
OPRAH WINFREY: How old are your kids?
KRISTIN CABOT: They’re almost 15 and almost 17. So they’re at an age where everything, you know — so they were 14 and—
OPRAH WINFREY: 16 when this happened.
KRISTIN CABOT: 14 and 16. We’re still in it. They’re really — they’re doing really well.
OPRAH WINFREY: Tell us about the place you went. You went someplace, and your daughter said, “Mom, can we just leave?” Because—
KRISTIN CABOT: Yeah, we were at the local pool. This was a few weeks after — I decided it was probably in later August, when I felt safe to — I tried going out, you know, trying to go out. My daughter and I went to the pool. Big hat, glasses, all the things. And a woman at the pool started taking our picture in a really not subtle way. And my daughter just lost it. And she’s like, “We need to just leave.” And I was like, “I’m so sorry.”
And I didn’t — you know, I was not in a position. That’s funny. The version of me before this concert, I would have marched right up to her and grabbed her. I mean, I’m not a shrinking violet, but I became a very different version of myself, and I just — we packed up and left.
Guilt, Shame, and Knowing the Truth
OPRAH WINFREY: Do you think that you were taking on the guilt and shame that other people were trying to put on you?
KRISTIN CABOT: Yes and no. I felt tremendous guilt for the effect it was having on my family, and I felt responsible for that. But I did not — I knew what really happened, and I didn’t feel shame for something I didn’t do. I wasn’t questioning myself. I knew the mistake I made. I was really clear on what that was, but I was also really clear that it doesn’t deserve the treatment that I got. It doesn’t deserve, you know, being made to feel that you should die.
The Darkest Days
OPRAH WINFREY: Can you share with us what those first hours, days, and then weeks were like? I mean, how low did you go?
KRISTIN CABOT: I mean, yeah, those — it was dark. The first weekend after the concert, I rented an Airbnb and went up to the mountains in New Hampshire with my dog, thinking I was just going to let it blow over and come back. I really didn’t understand, because I cut off all access to the Internet and social media and everything. I went away thinking — it was sort of like the beginning of COVID when you’re like, “We’ll close the office for the week and we’ll see in a week,” and then you’re like, “See you in two years.” It was sort of like that. I thought, “I’ll just go disappear for the weekend.” But when I came back — I did a self-care day. I was like, “I’m just going to regroup and relax.”
OPRAH WINFREY: You thought it would blow over in a few days, as you had been told?
KRISTIN CABOT: As I’d been told, yes. That definitely didn’t happen. But I came back to my house that had been a place that was really like my safe space, as your home typically is. And it became a place that was as unsafe as any place could be, because a local radio station gave out my address on the air, and for whatever reason, the whole world has access to my phone number.
So from that day I returned, there was paparazzi there for weeks. They wouldn’t leave. I had people trespassing and looking in my windows. We had people doing drive-bys and yelling and honking. And my—
OPRAH WINFREY: With your children home?
KRISTIN CABOT: Yes, with my children home. My phone was ringing around the clock, and just vile text messages and voicemails. That’s probably a couple of days in when the death threats started. But they were also just perverse, disgusting messages. I got emails constantly.
OPRAH WINFREY: Were you afraid? Were you scared?
KRISTIN CABOT: Yeah, I was really — I was terrified.
OPRAH WINFREY: And your children were really scared because your children overheard you speaking to your mom.
KRISTIN CABOT: They did, and they heard one of the death threats. My kids asked me not to spend too much time talking about them today, but I’m comfortable talking about portions of it, and that’s one of them. They were terrified for me. They’re really protective of me, but they were also really scared for what this meant for all of us. We’re not used to having — we’re really private.
OPRAH WINFREY: When your kids are hearing that you’re getting death threats, kids think, “We’re going to lose our mom.” That’s what kids think.
KRISTIN CABOT: Yeah. Yeah, that’s exactly what happened.
OPRAH WINFREY: Kids think, “We’re going to lose our mom.”
KRISTIN CABOT: Yeah.
OPRAH WINFREY: Then they have to now be afraid for you.
KRISTIN CABOT: That’s right. Yeah, that’s right. And I’ve been a single mom for a while, and they, I think, already lean in to taking care of me more than I’d like them to at their age. Like, “I’ve got it, you know, I’m good.” But they’ve always been — they’re really sweet and empathic people. So they’re always kind of keeping an eye and making sure I’m okay. So this kind of elevated all of that.
When Words Cut the Deepest
OPRAH WINFREY: In all this — I mean, I think a lot of people at this point have experienced online vitriol or people saying horrible things. And sometimes there’s something that is just said and it just cuts you.
KRISTIN CABOT: Yeah.
OPRAH WINFREY: Especially if it’s untrue. Did you have one of those moments where something was said and it just brought you to your knees or made you not want to get out of bed?
KRISTIN CABOT: Yeah, there are actually a few. But the one that just came to mind first was the piece around sleeping my way to the top at work. I’ve worked in advertising and technology, which are really male-dominated industries. And I’ve spent my entire career fighting against the stereotype of, “I must be sleeping with someone.” And I’ve been so intentional about how I move through my work life. I’ve never been involved with anyone I’ve worked with before.
I have been working since I was 13, and my mom had us out really — legally working early on — and I never stopped. And my career was my identity, for better or worse. And this has been a wake-up call around that. But I had tremendous pride in what I had built. I love what I do. And for that to be a whole entire narrative written that takes that away from me — it just gutted me in a way that I can’t explain.
So it was really that one. Obviously, being called all these horrible names hurts. I have a friend that said to me recently, “Why would you take criticism from people you would not take advice from?” And that really hit home for me. I thought about it — it’s a great point. But I did.
OPRAH WINFREY: It’s a great point. But when you’re in the middle of it, it’s hard to feel that way.
KRISTIN CABOT: That’s right, yeah. And it hurts. It’s easy to say, “Oh, ignore the trolls,” but it’s really hard. I mean, it’s really hard to ignore that, and it gets really personal. Yeah.
The Support of Family and Friends
OPRAH WINFREY: Did you have family that were there for you?
KRISTIN CABOT: Yeah, my family’s incredible. And you asked earlier how low did it get — I do need to say that if I didn’t have the family that I have and the friends that just wrapped a big warm blanket around me, I don’t know that I would have made it through this. And had I been the 25-year-old version of myself, I would not be sitting here. There’s no way. Yeah, it was really horrific.
OPRAH WINFREY: When you hear the number — I think it was you who told me the 300 billion. When you hear the 300 billion, how is that even—
KRISTIN CABOT: And by the way, that doesn’t include social media. That’s just the Internet. I don’t know how wild it got on social, but I think it was wilder than just the different tabloid websites. But that 300 billion is on the websites alone. Yeah, it’s really disturbing.
Getting Her Children Through It
OPRAH WINFREY: And so how did you get your children through it? When you become the meme and everybody knows it’s your mom, how did you get them through that?
KRISTIN CABOT: It was tough. I mean, we had a lot of conversation in the beginning. I was not momming to the best of my abilities. I was pretty broken down. For better or worse, we had a lot of family visiting last summer. I had a lot of people staying at my house — my brother and his family and a lot of guests. So I tried to kind of pivot to just life as usual as best I could after maybe the first month. And we tried to just get back to it — go to the beach, try to do some normal things.
It was hard because people were not shy to come up to me in front of my kids. I had a group of women — I was at my son’s workplace; he works at a surf shop at the beach near our house — and a group of women surrounded my car in front of my son and started to harass me verbally and kind of make it hard for me to move my car away from where they were. It was hard to explain that to my kids.
They were really lucky to have their peers show up for them in a really supportive way. But they were struck by how horrific grownups were acting. And that’s a really hard thing for me to explain to kids — why, because I didn’t even—
The Fallout: Family, Silence, and the Digital Age
OPRAH WINFREY: Do they even understand why? Yeah, because how do you explain to them why the people are hating you so much?
KRISTIN CABOT: Right. I tried to explain to them kind of what you described. I think I’m representative of something that touches on a lot of fear in people. And I didn’t know — I was trying to figure it out myself — and I wish I could have showed up for them in better ways than I did. But I did the best I could do in those moments. It was really hard.
Going back to school for them was really hard. They didn’t want me on their campuses for the first semester or trimester. So I missed — I didn’t go to games, I didn’t go to parent conferences. I couldn’t go to parents weekend at my son’s school. But the schools were wonderful. I worked with them closely to make sure the kids were supported and like I said, their friends were great.
Andy Byron: The Silence That Changed Everything
OPRAH WINFREY: Do you still talk to Andy Byron, your former boss?
KRISTIN CABOT: No, I ended communication with Andy in mid fall. There was a big miss on honesty and integrity. He wasn’t the person he represented himself to be to me, and lying is not a non-negotiable for me.
OPRAH WINFREY: What does that mean?
KRISTIN CABOT: It means there was — he missed the mark on being as honest as he could have been with me. And at the end of the day, Oprah, I was the one left —
OPRAH WINFREY: He wasn’t separated? Because what you’re implying to me, what I’m hearing is that he really wasn’t separated. Is that what you’re trying to say?
KRISTIN CABOT: I want to be really careful because the world spoke for me and on my behalf, and I don’t want to do that to somebody else in their family. I don’t feel comfortable. But I will say a lot of what was represented to me was not true. I also want to say that being left —
OPRAH WINFREY: But will you verify again, as you said to us earlier, that he had told you — when you told him you were separated — he had said to you he’s going through the same?
KRISTIN CABOT: Unequivocally. Unequivocally.
OPRAH WINFREY: So you believed when you were standing with him at the Coldplay concert that he was separated?
KRISTIN CABOT: Absolutely. Zero doubt. Zero doubt. But I was left holding the bag. And being the one that was attacked for this — he’s remained silent. To me, that’s not a quality that I would look for in a friend or a partner or a boss. So we have no relationship.
OPRAH WINFREY: What would you have wanted him to do or say?
KRISTIN CABOT: I mean, the entire trajectory of this would have changed if he would have just made a quick statement to say, “My wife and I were separated at the time of the concert,” just like my husband did. But it didn’t matter when. It was great that Andrew did that, but I was still left with — the tone changed a little bit. Okay, so she was separated, but he wasn’t. So she’s still a home wrecker.
One Moment That Changed Everything
OPRAH WINFREY: One moment — and it’s one moment and one split second decision — can change the trajectory of anybody’s life. Whenever something particularly this big happens, I say, “What are you trying to teach me? God, I know. You didn’t have to use this bigger lesson. I could have gotten with something smaller.” Have you looked at this in the bigger picture of your life? Why did this show up in your life this way? And what is it here to teach you?
KRISTIN CABOT: That’s the million dollar question. I think about that every single day. And I do believe I got knocked off my course for a reason. There’s something to learn here, and there are bits and pieces that are coming into the light for me.
I’m really understanding — and I had no concept of this — how when something goes this viral, how the technology companies are benefiting from this, and how we don’t know that when we are forwarding and liking and clicking, we are putting billions of dollars in their pockets.
OPRAH WINFREY: You’re just creating an algorithm and creating —
KRISTIN CABOT: — an algorithm that feeds it. And the more pain someone like me is in, the more money they’re going to make. And it fuels it and feeds it. And I think there’s accountability there that needs to be looked at.
I think I’m heartbroken at how women are treating other women. One thing I don’t know the answer to yet is: how can my experience turn into something positive to keep that conversation alive and try to figure out why are we doing this to each other? We’re so much stronger together. Why are we eating each other alive? And holding each other back? And why do we take such joy in seeing other people suffer? It’s really scary.
OPRAH WINFREY: It’s so interesting — once you’ve been through something like this, when you see somebody else going through it, it creates an empathetic moment for you to want to reach out and say, “I know what that’s like.”
KRISTIN CABOT: That’s right. I did that. I reached out to a family — there was a girl who was, I don’t know if you heard about this, she was 4 years old, receiving millions of death threats because she was helping her dad, who’s a radio personality, pick out football teams. And she started to miss the mark on the choices, and people started threatening her life because she was screwing up their gambling publicly. They were threatening this four year old girl. And I reached out to her family and they were lovely. It’s so scary what they’re going through. It’s just happening all the time.
Daryl Hannah’s Words That Resonated
OPRAH WINFREY: It’s also — my producer said that Daryl Hannah recently released a statement —
KRISTIN CABOT: Yes.
OPRAH WINFREY: About what was going on in the Kennedy love story.
KRISTIN CABOT: That’s right. I actually wanted to share a quote from that, if I could. If anyone hasn’t read her essay in the New York Times this past week, it’s a beautifully written piece, and it struck me deeply.
There was a part where she talks about how Jackie Onassis used to say to her — because Daryl Hannah was dating John F. Kennedy Jr. — Jackie O said, “People are going to write horrible things about you, but don’t worry about it. It’ll be lining a birdcage tomorrow. The newspapers will be lining bird cages. Don’t worry.”
And she wrote, and I quote — this was from 6th March:
“In the digital age, stories do not disappear. Yesterday’s news is not tossed out with the morning paper and lies live online forever. They are archived, streamed, clipped, memed and resurfaced endlessly. A dramatized portrayal can become for millions of viewers the definitive version of a real person’s life.”
OPRAH WINFREY: They think that that’s history.
KRISTIN CABOT: That’s right. I wish I knew Daryl Hannah so I could give her a huge hug. What she wrote about encapsulated my experience to a T.
The Road Back: Work, Healing, and Double Standards
OPRAH WINFREY: So where are you now in the healing process — for you and for your family? You’re supporting yourself, you’re supporting your children. Have you started to look for work again? Has Andy Byron — I hear — gotten offers from other places?
KRISTIN CABOT: Lots of interest.
OPRAH WINFREY: Lots of interest.
KRISTIN CABOT: And I think he has the luxury of staying silent, and he can go back to work when he’s ready. I feel like I have to remind myself I’m not on trial, but in order for me to get back on my feet, I have to come out and explain. And I think that’s a stark difference between the man and the woman in this situation. I have to explain and explain and justify.
I feel like people, when I speak up, they think I’m trying to be famous. If I don’t speak, I must be guilty. So I’m trying to figure out the right balance there. And for me, I’m raising my kids alone. I’m financially responsible for my kids alone. And I need to get back to work.
OPRAH WINFREY: Yeah, because people are going to criticize you for it. Like, why are you talking?
KRISTIN CABOT: If I talk, I’m trying to prolong my 15 minutes of fame. If I’m not talking, I’m, you know —
OPRAH WINFREY: Yeah. So again, you decided to talk because —
KRISTIN CABOT: Because I felt, like I said in the beginning, I can’t stay silent and accept what has happened. And I do feel like it’s important that people understand the real story, and also how harmful it is to just make assumptions and judge and feed and fuel something that created this narrative.
OPRAH WINFREY: But you’re so right. I knew that Andrew — your husband that you’re getting a divorce from — had made a statement saying that you all were separated at the time. But you’re right. We never heard from Andy Byron. And if Andy Byron had done that, it would have changed everything, I think.
KRISTIN CABOT: Yes, that’s right. That’s right.
OPRAH WINFREY: Don’t y’all think so? Everybody would have thought, “Oh, they’re both separated. Okay. Still her boss, still HR, still not great.”
KRISTIN CABOT: But a lot less interesting to the general public.
OPRAH WINFREY: Yeah, a lot.
KRISTIN CABOT: And I do think Chris Martin being a celebrity and that adding to it helped with this thing going viral for sure. I think when you bring a celebrity into the mix with private people, I think it gives it more —
Final Words: What Kristin Wants the World to Know
OPRAH WINFREY: Yeah. And before we go — I said to you backstage, which I do with all interviews that are important. All interviews are important, but not as important as you wanting to make this statement here. I always ask people before every show — and I’ve been doing this since 1989 — I ask people before we go out, “What is your intention?” Because I want you to be able to fulfill exactly the reason that you came.
KRISTIN CABOT: Thank you.
OPRAH WINFREY: I’m glad that you came. I’m glad you are willing to have your first — and you say only — interview with me. But most important, I want you to be able to say and fully not get home and say, “Oh, I should have said,” or “Oh, she didn’t ask me.” What is it you feel that you need to say, or that you want people to know before we leave?
KRISTIN CABOT: I want people to know that I’m just a regular person. I’m a private person. I didn’t ask for this. I didn’t ask to be famous. And I have no experience dealing with all of this. I’m just a mom that takes my kids to school and picks them up at practices and tries to juggle work and parenting. And I’m someone’s daughter and sister and friend.
And I really want people to understand what happened and what harm it does to real people’s lives when you mindlessly fuel a fire like this. It’s incredibly dangerous. And I’m so grateful I have the tools I have that I can sit here and talk about it, because so many people don’t make it through it, and it’s tragic. I just want people to, you know, just be kind —
OPRAH WINFREY: Especially women to women. I know you really felt that there were other women who came out and should have been more supportive. You felt —
KRISTIN CABOT: Yeah, I just think we’re holding each other back. Let’s stop. And I think it’s a conversation that needs to be had over and over right now. What is going on with us as a gender that — we take such pleasure in holding each other back and hurting each other. It’s really sad.
OPRAH WINFREY: I heard you were upset when there was a commercial that Gwyneth did. Gwyneth Paltrow? Yeah.
Gwyneth Paltrow, Ryan Reynolds, and the Commercial
KRISTIN CABOT: Yeah. That was really disappointing to me. I felt like Gwyneth, someone whose company is founded on or framed around uplifting women and women’s well being, and she doesn’t need the money. I don’t know why she felt she needed to throw gas on the fire and get involved in all of this. It just felt really hypocritical to me and unnecessary.
And I don’t want to let Ryan Reynolds off the hook either. He produced the ad, he created it, and his wife has just gone through something really similar over the last year. And I find it really kind of astounding that he thought this was a great way to lead.
OPRAH WINFREY: Well, I will tell you that I called Gwyneth and I asked her about this. And so this isn’t an official statement, but I did ask her if it was okay if I shared what she shared with me. And she said that she was told that you and Andy Byron had signed off on that commercial. And she said she wouldn’t have done it if she hadn’t heard that you had signed off on the commercial. Had you signed off on the commercial?
KRISTIN CABOT: No.
OPRAH WINFREY: Yeah.
KRISTIN CABOT: And she communicated that to me as well.
OPRAH WINFREY: Okay. Because she also said — I was going to say — she also said that she sent you an email and that she hadn’t heard back from the email. So I just wanted to say that. Okay.
KRISTIN CABOT: Thank you.
OPRAH WINFREY: Okay. So when that commercial came out, did you feel that that was just fuel on the fire?
KRISTIN CABOT: Absolutely. I mean, it made everything — in that moment and for ensuing days or weeks — it made everything harder. It made it a lot harder for my kids, too. I think when a celebrity gets involved like that — they’re teenagers, like I said, they know who she is. And it just added to it in a way that was so unnecessary. But people have their own needs, and I can’t speculate as to what those are. So it happened, and I can just…
The Reaction from Other Women
OPRAH WINFREY: And you’re saying that you’ve been most disappointed by the reaction from other women.
KRISTIN CABOT: That’s been the biggest thing for me, and I don’t know. I wish I could fix it. I wish I could understand. And honestly, I’d love to sit with some of these women that are so angry at me and really listen and try to understand what it is about me, or what it is — what could I — what would they like to have seen? I don’t know. I’d love to have a real conversation about what it is that makes them so angry.
OPRAH WINFREY: We can make that happen if you need to.
KRISTIN CABOT: I really would love it. I’m being deadly serious on this. I don’t — I have a real need to try to understand and have empathy for people that are hurting. And I’m feeling so much hurt that I can’t fix it. But I would love to understand it. That would help me heal, too, to better understand why people are so angry. Yeah.
An Audience Member Speaks Up
OPRAH WINFREY: Is there anybody here who had seen the video who was angry? Yes. So were you one of those angry people?
AUDIENCE: I wasn’t angry at you. The first thing that came to my mind when I saw that video was, “Everything in darkness comes to light.” And I passed judgment, and I own — I take ownership for that. It was not nice. And it’s not the type of example that I should make for my children. As a mom, I empathize with your plight tremendously. Because unfortunately, children are the casualties of these — they take the brunt of a lot of this.
OPRAH WINFREY: Yeah.
AUDIENCE: But one thing that I think is really important — I was the woman who was at home and who didn’t know. Okay. After 17 years of marriage. So when I saw that, it really hit home. Yeah. But the most important thing that I’ve learned through my journey is that the only person that can define who I am is me.
OPRAH WINFREY: Yeah, that’s right.
KRISTIN CABOT: That’s right. I love that.
OPRAH WINFREY: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that’s really true. But I also, as a person who is — throughout the Internet — people say horrible things.
KRISTIN CABOT: There’s no need for that.
OPRAH WINFREY: Horrible, horrible, horrible things all the time. And it is very, very different if you’re up on a jumbotron that becomes the most watched video of the entire year. It is.
AUDIENCE: And there is that distinction. But for a person who’s going through a very public situation in their own microcosm, which is a jumbotron for them, it’s different. But again, my apologies for the judgment that I passed based on what I had read.
OPRAH WINFREY: Because you didn’t know that you were separated.
AUDIENCE: I didn’t know that you were separated.
OPRAH WINFREY: And you didn’t know that he was separ—
AUDIENCE: No, it was — because that’s not — I went by the narrative.
OPRAH WINFREY: That’s a major factor.
AUDIENCE: But irrespective of that, I would have never, ever, ever said something mean or wish death upon —
OPRAH WINFREY: Like —
AUDIENCE: That’s just unacceptable.
On Death Threats and Online Cruelty
OPRAH WINFREY: Yeah. I think that for that — this is — thank you so much for sharing that, and thank you so much for being willing to admit that you were in judgment, because the whole world was, actually.
And I would have to say that in this moment, I think it’s really important for we as the human species to look at how we are participating in the comments and the global discussions. Because does a person deserve death threats because they made a mistake? Think of all the mistakes we’ve made in our lives. Think of all the things you wish had not been seen, or you wish you hadn’t done that or said that or whatever. And it gets replicated 300 billion times. And now people are threatening your life and the life of your children. They’re parked outside your house, and your number is all over the world. I mean, just think about that for a moment. Yeah. I am really sorry that you had to go through that.
KRISTIN CABOT: Thank you. Thank you for allowing me to talk about it.
OPRAH WINFREY: And I know it took a lot for you to do this today.
Finding Warmth in the Room
KRISTIN CABOT: I do have to say, if I can interrupt, and I’m sorry — at the center of the trauma for me is how women have treated me. And it was really scary to come here and sit in the center of a room full of primarily women just kind of looking, and be like, “This is really, really terrifying.” But I have to say, I do feel a lot of warmth in the room. So I want to thank the people here. This was almost — I almost couldn’t do it because of the audience.
OPRAH WINFREY: And you still said yes.
KRISTIN CABOT: Well, my daughter told me yesterday morning when I dropped her at school, and I was like, “I’m so nervous.” And she’s like, “Mom, this will be like therapy for you. You can do it.” I was like, “Oh, thank you.”
OPRAH WINFREY: Yeah.
KRISTIN CABOT: Yeah, it does feel good.
OPRAH WINFREY: Well, it does feel good.
KRISTIN CABOT: It does feel good.
OPRAH WINFREY: So I thank you for allowing me to be your first interview. Thank you.
KRISTIN CABOT: Thank you.
Closing Remarks
OPRAH WINFREY: Thank you, those of you who are watching. I’ll see you next time. Go well, everybody. Go well. Good job.
KRISTIN CABOT: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Good job.
OPRAH WINFREY: Good job. Good job. Well done.
KRISTIN CABOT: Well done.
OPRAH WINFREY: Well done. Well done. Well done. Well done, well done.
KRISTIN CABOT: Yes.
OPRAH WINFREY: You can take our picture now. Yeah. You can take our picture now. Yeah. Kristin, I hope you’ll let Coldplay again because, honest to God —
KRISTIN CABOT: Oh, my God.
OPRAH WINFREY: Chris Martin, honestly, he’s one of the most empathetic people, and if he had known, he never would have done that. The problem is you both look like you had been busted.
KRISTIN CABOT: I know.
OPRAH WINFREY: So when you look like you’ve been busted — we didn’t — those judgments weren’t made out of nowhere. It’s because both of you, like, “Oh, my God, we’ve been caught.” And if both —
KRISTIN CABOT: And we have. But just not for what you thought. Not for what you thought.
OPRAH WINFREY: Now you do want to work again.
KRISTIN CABOT: I’m dying. I’m so bored. I have — I said to Gaylord, “I have so much gas left in the tank, I’m dying to get back to work.” I don’t —
OPRAH WINFREY: He’s gotten job offers and you haven’t. That’s — that’s, wow. But I do just want to say, like me sitting here, I was getting chills from you speaking. Like, it really — honestly, like hearing your perspective, seeing it on social media, seeing all these different things and people making their own narratives — you speaking out, I’m sure all the women in this room feel this way — like, after hearing your story, we empathize with you. Like, it really does.
KRISTIN CABOT: Thank you. I’m like, wow, thank you.
OPRAH WINFREY: You really told the story.
KRISTIN CABOT: Yeah.
OPRAH WINFREY: You did a good job.
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