Next Level Soul Podcast: w/ Jody Reid (Transcript)

We’re empaths. So it was a lot of that. I did apparently have moments where I did some channeling, and some nurses reminded me of what I said, because a lot of times we don’t hold on to the information when we channel. So they actually reminded me of what I said in moments coming out of patient rooms. And I’m like, “I don’t even remember that.” They’re like, “Oh my God, yes, you did.”

So I definitely had moments throughout my career of a knowingness, and even around patients. I was in clinic and I had this gentleman and I felt him very upset. And this is long before I was actually professionally reading. And I just felt this overwhelming emotion around him. And I said, “Sir, do you mind if I just share something with you spiritually?” And he was quite open.

And I said, “I just feel like your wife is on the other side.” And I said, “She tells me you have her perfume and cosmetics laid across either a dresser or something.” He broke down. And sure enough, he did. And I don’t even know where that came from, Alex. This is not something I was doing at the time, but it was what he needed to hear.

Understanding Channeling and Mediumship

ALEX FERRARI: Is that an example of the channeling you were talking about? Like you’re just hearing things coming through. It’s not like an entity per se, but you were actually doing mediumship. Mediumship is a form of channeling in a sense.

JODY REID: 100%. So channeling, I believe, Alex, is the way in which the information comes through. So it’s almost like the verb, right? It’s coming through the channel, and we are the channels, almost like radio frequencies or waves coming to you as the channel. So we have to tune into that frequency. And you’re right, it would come through like an inner hearing almost, but visions as well. So I had seen the cosmetics on the desk.

ALEX FERRARI: I wanted to kind of dive in a little bit to the process of what you are doing when you are receiving messages from the other side, because this is a gray area for people to understand — what actually is happening.

A lot of people think that as a medium you’re just having a conversation with the other side and you’re like, “Oh, Uncle Bob is here,” and Uncle Bob is telling you everything in your ear. And there is a form of clairaudience — it’s clairaudience, right?

JODY REID: Yeah, that’s right.

ALEX FERRARI: So if it’s clairaudience, but from my understanding, many psychic mediums are trying to interpret images that come in or even sounds that come in, and it’s just their interpretation. So it’s not 100% all the time. Your batting average is not 1,000. You’re not always going to hit it right because it has to go through your filtering and you’re just trying to understand the images that are coming in. So if someone says a rose, you see an image of a rose, you’re like, “I don’t know, does a rose mean anything to you?” And they’re like, “Oh my God, we had a rose company.” That kind of thing.

Is that what’s going on in your mind? There are so many different ways this happens. I see a dead person in the room — there’s that version of it. Then that dead person could talk to you in one way, so that’s another version. Then there’s auditory, where you’re just hearing a voice. And then there’s what I always call the Whoopi Goldberg effect from Ghost, when an entity comes in and speaks through you. So there’s multiple ways that this happens. So for you specifically, what is happening? And can you explain to people that interpretation of it?

The Four Clairs

JODY REID: Yes, absolutely. So definitely clairaudience — I have moments of that. I actually use 4 different clairs, and it’s claircognizance, which is clear knowing; clairaudience, clear hearing; clairvoyance, clear seeing; and then clairsentience, clear feeling. So it will come in almost like a package.

So I could see a vision, but I could feel what that vision means. So if I had seen, for instance, that particular case — the perfume sitting on there — I’d seen it. I can feel the importance to her that she kept herself immaculate. She was this beautiful woman. And what it meant to him to hold on to it, like the emotion around it, that it made him feel like he was still connected. And then just this strong gut knowing that that was it. Like, that was the message. It was important to him to hold on to these fragrances of hers.

Instant Knowing and the Other Side

ALEX FERRARI: There’s a phenomenon that — again, because of the work I do and the research that I’ve been doing on this show for so many years now — I’ve spoken to a lot of near-death experiencers. And on the other side, when they’re there, they speak of this knowing that you’re talking about a little bit, but it’s instant understanding, instant knowing, just from either seeing something or being somewhere. You just go, “Oh, that’s Uncle Bob,” even though it doesn’t look like Uncle Bob. Or there’s just this instant knowing.

And it’s an obscene amount of information that gets downloaded instantly. And you just understand everything that’s happening in the room. There’s no explanation, no talking about it. It’s not clunky. It’s just instant. And they’ve spoken about, like, “Oh, I asked the question, what’s quantum physics?” And then all of a sudden, “Oh, I get it now. That’s what the universe is made out of.”

But on the other side, they can’t bring that knowing back because we can’t process it in our rudimentary computer. Over there, we’re kind of plugged into the cloud — the spiritual cloud. Does that all make sense?

JODY REID: Yes. But the other piece to that too, Alex, is I think they have to use our life experiences. So they draw from our experiences. Maybe they’ll show me something that’s relatable to the situation that I had gone through, or that I can relate to, and then I have to relay it in that sense. And it can come in almost like a memory that’s not yours.

When you talk about knowing, it’s like if you recall a situation — a moment with your dog. So you’re recalling a situation with your dog, you know that that occurred, and there’s nothing that could change your mind. Like, “I had this moment with my dog,” and then you reflect back on that, you don’t doubt that. So it’s kind of like holding a memory that’s not yours but having this absolute feeling that it took place.

Raising Human Consciousness

ALEX FERRARI: So I wanted to kind of go into a little — we’ve been talking a little bit about the macro, let’s go a little bit to the micro. Actually, let’s go into the macro a little bit about human consciousness. I know your work really focuses on raising consciousness of humanity and empowering people to become their own spirit guides, or connecting to their own power internally — whether that be spirit guides that are guiding them, whether it be the internal knowing, whether it be higher selves, or ascended masters, or whatever — but doing it for themselves. Is that correct?

JODY REID: Yes, definitely. And I love platform mediumship, which is like open group where we sit with a bunch of people and I kind of channel messages all over the audience. And part of that, I love to remind them — and I say “remind you” because I do believe it’s something we are born with.

I believe through our education, through maybe government, through our religion, just our beliefs, I believe those abilities are suppressed. But I don’t believe they ever truly go away. So it’s reminding people that you have this connection. And everybody receives it differently, Alex. For impressions, for me, say my vision for birthday is a bouquet of balloons. Yours might be a birthday cake. So they draw from whatever’s relatable for you.

And I like to remind them during the show that you have this ability. So I want you to leave here knowing that you can speak to your loved ones just as I can, and bring through the validations or memories.

Gut Instinct, Intuition, and the Awakening of Human Consciousness

ALEX FERRARI: And for people listening who are thinking, if they’re watching this, they’re kind of curious, obviously. But a lot of them will say, well, this is all BS. Well, if it is, I think everybody at one point or another— I can’t say most, but I say most humanity has a moment of gut instinct. There’s a moment that you just knew, you just understood. And they call it gut instinct, for lack of a better word, or intuition, if you want to start getting a little closer to the metaphysical. But gut instinct is something that everybody really can kind of get behind, regardless of religious background or programming or anything like that. People are like, oh, I had a gut instinct that that wasn’t going to go good, or I shouldn’t get on that plane, or I shouldn’t date that girl. That is an example— a very low-hanging fruit example of what we’re capable of. And then someone like yourself has opened themselves up to be able to do what you’re doing right now. And we all have that capability in one way, shape, or form, right?

JODY REID: We do. And going from that gut instinct or intuition, I believe it’s like a muscle, and acknowledging it, right? And I’m sure, like you said, everybody’s had that moment of gut feeling, or it’s like, I don’t think I should go that way. I want to take the other way around and I’ll drive this way instead. And you find out later that there was a traffic jam. Or you have a thought pop in of an old friend and it’s like out of nowhere, you haven’t talked to them and all of a sudden they’re either calling or messaging, right? We’ve all gone through that, right?

And it’s just insight. And if we can start to pay attention to those moments— I always feel like spirit is giving that to you. I always feel like we’re always connected, whether it’s our loved ones, spirit guides, Source, God, whatever you believe in. I always feel we have that connection and we can actually communicate and we can receive the feedback back. We just have to push ego aside a little bit. And I say that in the sense of, because ego can tell you that, oh, you’re making it up, right? Ego keeps us safe. But when we’re channeling or receiving messages, sometimes our egoic mind tells us that we’re making it up and we’re missing those moments.

ALEX FERRARI: Yeah, and ego does. That’s, I think, the biggest obstacle with people in regards to psychic abilities, mediumship, even channeling, is that our brain, our logical brain, is saying, you’re making this up. But then as you start going deeper down this road, you start to realize, I would have never thought of that. What just came out of my voice or my mouth, let’s say if I’m a channel, I would never speak that way. Like it’s a completely different conversation in tone, and I just wouldn’t articulate those ideas in the same way.

And a lot of times when you’re meditating, things will pop into my head. And then I used to go, oh, I must have made that up. And I’m like, I wasn’t even thinking about that. Where did that just show up out of nowhere? Kind of thing. And you’re like, oh, so someone’s trying to tell me something. Because I feel that when you’re meditating, you’re starting to raise the vibration or the frequency in yourself— the antenna, if you will— to start to tune into certain things. And that’s where meditation really starts to come in. The more you meditate, the more you’re able to start receiving these things over the years that you meditate. Is that correct?

JODY REID: Yes, 100%. And I think we shift from coincidence to meaningful synchronicities, Alex. We start to open up and all of a sudden we have this greater connection and we start to pick up things that we didn’t before.

Energetic Shifts on the Planet

ALEX FERRARI: So going to the macro of human consciousness, right now— what energetic shifts do you feel are happening on the planet right now? Because it seems like there’s some stuff happening.

JODY REID: Yes, yes. And I know there’s a lot of heavy things happening in the world right now, and for our human self to view them, we view it very negatively. And you’re right, it is, as a human experience. But if we look at a soul level, it is shifting us. So a lot of people who weren’t open to this, Alex, are starting to connect to their higher self because they want to feel that almost safety, protection. And then they start to connect to Source, the higher self, our guides, our loved ones.

And I feel like the heaviness in the world is pushing us back to that— pushing us back to connecting with nature, right? We get so wrapped up in everything that’s going on in the world, and you’re forced to step out of that and calm the nervous system, right? So I feel like connecting to nature, connecting to Source— everybody’s being pushed back to their natural abilities, their desire to connect to that natural state.

ALEX FERRARI: Is that why everything seems so chaotic?

JODY REID: That’s what I believe. I do believe that. I believe that it’s working in our favor, even though it doesn’t feel like it. And that’s hard to swallow sometimes as a human, right? Because we are living this human experience. But I do believe it’s using the use of that information or that feeling, because what is more powerful than feeling something to make a change, right? So you’re looking for the balance. It’s like, this feels heavy, I want to feel enlightened. So I think we’re drawn to more spirituality, if you will.

ALEX FERRARI: And if we look back in human history though, some of the darkest times afterwards lead us to some of the most light times and prosperity. So after World War II, there was a massive prosperity, obviously in the United States, but in many other parts of the world there was a rebuilding. You look at all these wars that happened over the years, even the Dark Ages. After the Dark Ages, we had the Renaissance. The Renaissance brought us out of the Dark Ages, but we couldn’t get to the Renaissance without the Dark Ages. Does that make sense?

JODY REID: 100%. It’s balance, right? We have to go through it to grow through it. And I really think that— and I’m not even just talking about world events, I’m talking about our life situations too— that relationship that you had that felt very toxic, but you grew from it. You knew what you didn’t want. You found out more about yourself. And I feel like everything is instrumental, even the great grander things in the world, but also in our personal lives. I believe everything is on purpose.

Crumbling Systems and the Collective Awakening

ALEX FERRARI: A lot of the systems around the world seem to be cracking and failing and falling apart, meaning the economic systems, the medical field, the food industry, the media industry, religious institutions, political institutions and governments around the world. There’s cracks showing everywhere and a lot of stuff is starting to bubble up. A lot of things that were considered conspiracy before are now being proven to be right.

I mean, the whole thing with the files— if you look at it, you’d be like, if that was on Family Guy, and there’s like, oh yeah, there’s this island where there’s all these things happening— that sounds like a James Bond movie, right?

JODY REID: Right.

ALEX FERRARI: It doesn’t seem real. But all of a sudden you’re like, oh, wait a minute, this was real. All these powerful men were doing this kind of stuff, and it didn’t happen for a minute or two. It happened for years, right? Hollywood, with the whole MeToo movement and what was going on behind the scenes there, that all started to bubble up. So it seems like you have to kind of go through all of that so you kind of see that, “I don’t want that. We need to change.” So you need that catalyst almost. As painful as it is in our personal lives as well as on a macro and micro level, right?

JODY REID: Definitely. And I think when we talked about the food sources too, we’re starting to learn that it’s not the natural food source that our great-grandparents had. There are additives to keep the shelf life longer, and people are getting sick. And it’s like, okay, a lot of people are shifting to, I want to grow my own stuff again, I want to grow my food source, I want to know that it’s coming from the earth and I’m not spraying it with chemicals and whatnot.

So I think we’re all kind of shifting together, and we’re wanting that source again— we’re wanting to feel that again, the healthy intake of food and even connection to people, right? We rush everything. And even when we were younger, we went out, we weren’t on the phones, we talked to our friends in person, right? I mean, this is convenient and we’re grateful for it, especially when we have family and loved ones across the world— it’s amazing to be able to do this. But don’t forget that we are having this human experience and we need that connection too. So I think it’s kind of pushing us back to that, back to those roots.

ALEX FERRARI: You mean to tell me that Red 40 is not natural? It’s not a natural thing to have?

JODY REID: Yeah, probably not.

ALEX FERRARI: And Blue 25, like that’s not—

JODY REID: I don’t think it’s grown.

ALEX FERRARI: No.

JODY REID: Not in the natural sense or the organic sense.

ALEX FERRARI: Yeah. I mean, I don’t want to go off on a tangent because it’s one of my pet peeves— the food industry and what I feel is criminal what they’re doing. And I know Canada is a slight bit better, but not too far off from the US as far as allowing certain things to be done. But you know, you look at a chicken sandwich and I’m like, why is there 60 ingredients? That doesn’t make any sense, right? I can’t find a tortilla that’s clean. No tortilla. Tortilla is 3 or 4 ingredients. That’s what a tortilla is. It’s very basic. And you look at it, you’re like, why is there 75 ingredients?

JODY REID: I can’t—

ALEX FERRARI: I know, I can’t find a clean tortilla. I have to go to the farmer’s market to find some guy who’s actually doing it the way—

JODY REID: Has milled the flour— you know. Yeah.

ALEX FERRARI: Is there salt, flour? I don’t know. What else is there?

JODY REID: Yeah.

ALEX FERRARI: Baking soda and that’s it. We’re done. It’s fascinating. But I think people are starting to wake up to that more and more. I just saw a video the other day— if you buy this here, I’ll use Nutella for a perfect example. When you look at Nutella here in the States, it has 400,000 ingredients, whatever it is, right? The same Nutella in Italy— same company, same brand— has like 6. So why are we eating that crap and they’re not? Because they don’t allow it in Europe. Not that Europe’s perfect, but you know what I mean.

And that’s an example of all of that that’s starting to bubble up now. People are just like, no. And same thing with medicine, things in religious institutions— for God’s sakes, no pun intended— all that stuff. Government and the economy, money, all of it, it’s all starting to crack and fall.

Is Humanity Approaching a Turning Point?

So do you believe that humanity is approaching a real turning point? Because it seems like we’re being revved up. We’re still not there yet, we have a bit to go, but there’s going to be a breaking point where— and which that breaking point turns into a turning point where humanity just says, “That’s it.” And on a collective standpoint, we’re like, we’re not going to vote for these people anymore. We’re going to vote other people into power and into politics. And we’re not going to follow those institutions anymore— religious institutions— because it’s not about us, it’s not about our spirituality, it’s about their power and their control. Do you think that’s happening? And if you could tell us when that’ll happen, that’d be great.

JODY REID: Yeah, when? Yeah, that would be a date.

ALEX FERRARI: A date and time would be fantastic if you—

Faith, Surrender, and Navigating Darkness

JODY REID: That would be great. And I wish I could provide that information. Sometimes we’re not given complete information around that because I think we have to have faith too. We have to know that that is the case. Do I strongly feel that this is working in our favor? 100% I do. It might not be comfortable as we do this climb, but like you said, once we get over that, I do feel like it’s different, it’s peaceful, it’s abundant. And there are so— there’s enough food, there is enough of everything for all of us, right? And I do feel like we’re shifting to that.

And this looks like chaos right now, but it’s the chaos that is going to push us into that. Like you said, there are moments in history that you go through the darkness, but then there’s the light. And I do feel like we’re on the brink of that too. Like, we’re leading up to that, we’re coming to that. And right now it’s really strong.

So usually when that happens— and even then, I’m going to revert it back to our personal lives— when you go through something that feels like everything is falling apart, like you don’t have control, it’s really when it’s falling into place and we don’t see it. But this is where we have to have faith. We have to surrender and say, yes, what I’m feeling is the case. Our intuition— it brings us back to our guides and our intuition, right?

And I know in some readings— and I know you talked about time— in a lot of my readings, they will show me certain things to certain people. Like, for instance, some people will come with a keyword, Alex. If it’s your mom, say “purple butterfly.” And in some cases it does happen, but I do feel through the thousands of readings I’ve done now that that person doesn’t need the spiritual growth like they believe regardless. So that comes through.

And then I’ll have people come through, same sort of situation, tons of validations. It’s like, “Oh my God, yes,” it’s a very emotional reading, it’s very heartfelt and touching. “Yes, I know that that’s my parent or brother or whomever,” yet the keyword didn’t come through. And I do feel in those moments they need spiritual growth, right? We can only be given what’s not going to take away from our growth. I believe we come here to grow. What is the purpose otherwise, right? To expand. So it’s interesting about time.

When the World Feels Like It’s Falling Apart

ALEX FERRARI: Let me ask you, because there’s so many times in our lives where we’re pushed to the brink. I don’t believe— I hope— I try to believe that we’re never pushed too far, meaning that we’re not pushed beyond what we can take. As the old saying goes, “God never gives you more than you can handle.” But there are moments in life where there’s either so much pain, physical, mental, spiritual trauma, whatever it is, that you can’t see outside of it.

I think we all get— I mean, I don’t think we all get through that because every life is different. Every soul’s journey is different. But there are moments in many people’s lives where you feel so underwater that you can’t see any light. And that’s dangerous. That’s a dangerous place to be. Because if you’re pushed to that level, where do I go? I see no hope. I see nothing.

So on a micro level, I see that. And I’ve experienced that. I think you probably have experienced that at one point or another. Most people have gotten to a really dark place. And they can’t see light.

And I think that on a macro level as well, we’re not there yet, but boy, we’re getting close, with the Iran war now that’s just started up because why not, right? And then now China’s starting to talk a little bit, a little saber rattling, and Russia’s staying quiet.

JODY REID: Did they—

ALEX FERRARI: They got their own things going on with Ukraine, and let’s not forget about Gaza and Israel. So there’s a lot of these different elements, and let’s not even get started with North Korea, that they’re starting to talk again as well. So I don’t believe that we’ve gotten to the brink yet that’s so dark, but it seems like we’re ramping up there.

So what do you tell people on two levels? On a personal level, when you get to that place, what advice do you have for them to help get them out of it? And then on a macro level, when everything seems to be falling apart around the world and you’re absorbing that energy, you could still feel like the world is coming to an end. But what I always find fascinating is when you watch the news and you feel like the world’s coming to an end, just look around your house. Is a bomb literally going off somewhere? No, you’re safe. It’s all right. It’s all here. So what do you think?

Reconnecting With Your Soul Self

JODY REID: So I would, specifically on an individual level, it depends on what that person’s going through, right? There’s different experiences. I mean, we’re human. There’s only so many experiences, but I would tailor it to them first of all. But if I was to give a general answer, remember who your soul self is. Try to look at the situation from your soul’s eyes or your heart’s vision, right? Not to look at it from a human experience, because those are the moments that we feel crushed or defeated.

But if you look at it like you’re connected regardless— we have a connection to the other side— I feel like they walk with us. You’re never alone. Even in the darkest moments. And I feel like God, Source, whatever you believe in, uses those moments.

Right now, you’re not exactly where you want to be in your career, but you’re feeling really heavy. And we have to use our emotions as our directors, right? And I really do feel like they are. So look at what you’re feeling. Say if you’re in a career that you’re like, “I’m getting irritable, I’m getting to the—” I know I do, where I need change. So we start to look inside ourselves and say, “Okay, I’m feeling this emotion because it is my director. It’s guiding me somewhere else.”

And you’ll know, even though you feel like you’re not prepared or ready for that, sometimes it’s just taking that next step or even actualizing that this is happening for me. I needed to feel this in order to get to this. It’s like if we could show you a glimpse into the future.

And this is what I mean about psychic readings too, Alex. I feel like we’re given opportunities. So if I was to say, “Hey Alex, you have this incredible opportunity coming up, and it’s going to involve a couple of other very influential people, and it’s going to just explode.” That moment will present itself. Will Alex take it? We have free will, right?

ALEX FERRARI: It’s up to you.

JODY REID: Yeah. So it’s trusting the process even in the darkest times.

The Power of Surrender

And I think it’s the same as the macro, as you speak of, like the greater consciousness. And we start to find other people like us to support us so we know we’re not alone. Fear is one of the strongest motivators too, right? It’s like, “I’ve got to move, I’ve got to do whatever.” But so is love. Love is incredibly powerful. And when we know we’re supported and loved by others and everybody has the same vision that we’re going to make it through together, and that this is working in our favor even though it doesn’t feel like it in the moment, we have to trust. And this is where the piece of surrender comes in. And I think when you surrender, that’s when you see things fall into place, when you stop resisting the flow. And it does fall into place.

ALEX FERRARI: You know what’s funny? We’ve all heard that old joke that there’s a guy at the top of a roof somewhere and the floodwaters are coming up, and then a boat comes to try to rescue him, and he’s like, “No, no, no, God will save me.” And then the helicopter comes, and he says, “No, no, God will save me.” And then he dies. And he gets up there and says, “God, why didn’t you save me?” And God says, “Dude, I sent you a helicopter, a boat, this or that. You’ve got to take advantage of when I send you things.”

I think that for me, one of the great regrets— and looking back on it, this is a really great example. I had a friend of mine who was working on the Star Wars movie as a visual effects artist. He was working in San Francisco at Industrial Light and Magic, which is George Lucas’s visual effects company.

JODY REID: Very cool.

ALEX FERRARI: And he’s like, “Alex, do you want to come up and I’ll give you a tour?” It’s been a dream of mine throughout my life to go and visit Industrial Light and Magic. And for whatever reason, I decided not to go. And I was in Los Angeles, it would have just been like a 45-minute flight. I would have done it, it would have been a day, had a good time, visited with a friend. But for whatever reason, I didn’t go. And I got in my head about it, like, “Oh, that’s ridiculous, you’re too old for this.” It just got into my head.

And I still talk to my buddy about it today. I’m like, “Dude, if you ever get back there—” He’s like, “I’ll probably never do.” I’m like, “If you ever do, I don’t care where I am in the world, I’m going to fly out to see you and I’m going to take that tour.” But it was just a thing that I always look back at and think, what— God gave me that opportunity and I didn’t take advantage of it.

Just like he gave me the opportunity to have George Lucas himself eat lunch next to my office and I got my lunchbox autographed by George Lucas.

JODY REID: I love it.

ALEX FERRARI: But it was like, what are the chances of that happening? But it was there, it was given to me, and I took advantage of it. I executed on the opportunity. Where so many of us are either scared, get in our own head, our ego gets involved to say, “No, no, no, that’s not right, don’t.” And that happens in relationships all the time, right? With opportunities. So I’m just using those as examples to kind of illustrate what we’re talking about here.

Nothing Is Ever Wasted

JODY REID: Yeah, exactly. And you’re right, we can get in our own way. But the great thing is that wasn’t a lost moment either, Alex. You recognized it. It’s like, “What, I got in my way there.” So moving forward, it’s like, “Okay, God’s going to bring me more opportunities. I’m going to seize those, I’m going to take those moments.” So there’s nothing wasted. I really feel like when we feel like we have regret over something, the truth is we needed that moment. We needed it for our growth. So there shouldn’t be regret. There shouldn’t be. We should understand that we’re evolving through the experience.

ALEX FERRARI: Yeah, I know, but I still wanted to go.

JODY REID: I know, and that might come up again. That might come up again. So I feel like when it’s strong in our heart, there’s the desire there, which can make that reality occur again. It might not be the way you thought it was going to happen, but it can come again. When it’s that strong within us, I believe opportunities will present themselves.

ALEX FERRARI: And would you agree— and I love that you said it’s not how we expected it— in my tenure here on the planet, I’ve realized that it’s never how I expected it. Whatever we try to envision, it does sometimes come close. Like your shop, for example, like with the vision of the tree shelves and that kind of stuff. Yes. That’s a smaller version of that. But how that whole shop came to be probably wasn’t the way you expected it to. There was probably a whole bunch of other things that happened, right?

JODY REID: Mm-hmm.

The Power of Surrender and Trusting the Process

JODY REID: Definitely. And I can share a little— not about that, this is an even greater story— but there’s a friend of mine who wanted to open a wellness center, and she couldn’t get the mortgage herself. And she’s a reflexologist, and she was looking for space, and just, it wasn’t coming up. But she kept thinking about what she wanted. She wanted to be able to live in the space, but she wanted to be able to operate out of it but have ownership as well. She knew she wasn’t in the position, but she didn’t let go of the thought of having it. She’s a very patient person like myself.

So anyway, she kept visualizing this, and this space came up in her area where it had living space and it had rentable space for her business in the bottom. And she’s like, “There’s no way I’m going to get a mortgage on this.” And she’s right, she didn’t. But this is crazy. So she has this vision, it lines up, it’s the perfect space, and the owner just wants to retire. My friend is a reflexologist. She’s just starting out, she’s building her business, and this lady’s a reflexologist. Now she needs somewhere for her clients to go.

ALEX FERRARI: Wow.

JODY REID: So the lady’s like, “You know, I don’t really need the money right away. So if you want, I can hold the mortgage for you.” Not in any way did she think that this was going to go in that avenue. But now she has her space. She has more clients than she can handle. And she was worried. She had this fear about not having enough clients to sustain. But she also has some established businesses within the facility that are remaining. And paying some of that mortgage too.

ALEX FERRARI: That’s insane.

JODY REID: It’s beyond what we expect sometimes. I feel like Source— I’m going to say Source just to insert it so anybody can replace whatever they need to replace it as— has a bigger picture for us. So we might have this like tiny little vision, but Source has this grand vision for us, and sometimes I just have to let it go and trust. And surrender is my big word. And in fact, Alex, my business was called Calm Surrender to start. And it was a download I had received. And I even got it tattooed on me, surrender, to remind myself, like, stop taking control.

ALEX FERRARI: And that’s the thing. Isn’t that difficult? So difficult to do, to surrender. A lot of times you’re forced to surrender. You’re brought down to your knees to a place in your life that you have no other choice but to surrender. Because you’re so stubborn that you’re like, “No, no, I want to control, I want to control, I want to control.” And then life starts to go, “Okay, let’s just keep— we don’t want to do this to you, but you’re not listening.” And they start pushing you and pushing you to a place where you get to a place you’re just like, “I give up. I will do whatever you—” You’re broke. They break you. Life breaks you. And we’ve all had that at one point or another, I think.

JODY REID: Yes, and I agree. And we can reflect back to the world too. We’re in that state of, what can I do now? And almost if we can take surrender in not like giving up, but surrender, Alex, and really relabeling it as trusting the process. So I surrender that this is going to happen for me. So surrendering in that sense, like not giving up but surrendering to the outcome that it’s going to work out for you. Maybe not exactly as you see, but in a way that is going to be very beneficial for you, right?

ALEX FERRARI: I never ever envisioned this for me, right? Never in a thousand years did I think this was ever going to happen in this world. So it’s a great learning lesson of like, oh, and it still surprises me on a daily basis. I’m like, “I’m doing what now? Okay. And I’ll just go do that. I’m like, oh, I’m supposed to do this now? Okay, great.” And how only after you get back and you kind of look at it from a bird’s eye view, just go, “Oh, so that’s why this has happened, that’s why that happened, that’s why that happened.” And you start to piece them together if you’re lucky enough to kind of have that awareness. You can start piecing certain items of the puzzle together of why certain things happen to you. And one thing led to another thing, which led to another thing. And then, you know, I met this one person 10 years ago, and then I didn’t talk to them for 10 years, and then they come back around, and then that’s the person that is the catalyst to help you on your career or in your love life. They introduce you to your soulmate or whatever.

JODY REID: It’s fascinating. Yes, it is. These meaningful synchronicities, right, as opposed to coincidences. When we shift from that mindset, basically everything becomes miraculous. It all seems to work out for us.

The Fall of Spiritual Leaders and Finding the Power Within

ALEX FERRARI: So one thing I wanted to ask you, and I’m asking a lot of people in the spiritual space about this, because this is something that is starting to come up now. Those Steam Files did open up a lot of stuff, and it’s still opening up a lot of stuff. But one thing that it did do is shine a light on multiple spiritual leaders who were in this, in the files, and the fall of those spiritual leaders. And some of those leaders— and I’ll call out the one I’m thinking of right now because it’s everywhere— who is one of these. Exactly, look at your face. You were like so sad about that because he meant so much for the last 40 years. He’s 40, 45 years he’s been one of those kind of like Mount Rushmore people who brought spirituality to the West in a big, big way. You know, it was him and Wayne Dyer and many of those, that generation’s spiritual people. And it’s just really gutted our community as a spiritual community. It’s just gutted people in general because of what he meant to us.

Why do you believe, and what does spirit tell you, that these spiritual leaders are starting to fall, that there’s cracks even in that? What is it trying to tell us about us? Because I, and I think you agree with me, I’ve always been about finding the power within yourself. Never put anyone on a pedestal, ever.

JODY REID: You’re taking the words out of my mouth. Yeah, yeah.

ALEX FERRARI: Never put them on a pedestal. You could admire, you could be grateful. They could be a little bit farther down the road than you are, but a good guru, a good teacher, a good instructor or guide is going to guide you to find the power within yourself.

JODY REID: Always, always, always. And I couldn’t have said it better. And I do believe those moments you do reflect back on yourself, and that is what Source is doing, or universe is doing, is pushing that energy back to you. It’s like it’s within us, right? We sometimes align ourselves with other people because we don’t know who we are, and we’re trying to figure that out. So we hang on to beliefs and whatnot. And so, I’m not saying the information that whoever else was involved didn’t have real solid information.

ALEX FERRARI: Yes.

JODY REID: But it is bringing it back to us, reflecting inside of us, because we have it too, Alex. It’s like, it’s awakening within us. It’s like using those moments to bring it back to us so we can awaken, because sometimes we just continue to follow. Do you know what I mean? We don’t become ourselves, or we don’t use our own abilities. And this is huge. So it’s going to impact people all around the world all at once. Source is using it as a big impact all at once.

Spiritual Elevation and Human Weakness

ALEX FERRARI: My question then to you is, why do these spiritual leaders— who I agree with you are actually putting out, they’re not con artists, they’re not throwing out BS. They’re actual, like really shifting humanity’s consciousness. Really helping the students that follow them. Many of these, they put out really great information and they were elevated spiritually. On a spiritual standpoint, they had reached a higher level of spirituality in the sense of connection to the universe and within themselves.

But yet fell for the traps of the 3D world. Why would someone— what does spirit tell you that someone who’s so spiritually elevated, who has spiritual abilities, yet falls for the same traps that we all do? From the flesh, or gambling, or alcohol, or drugs, or whatever it might be. They fall for the same things that you and I would fall for, but yet they’re still spiritually elevated because they are putting out this amazing information and amazing energy into the world. So how does that balance? What does spirit tell you? What’s your opinion of it?

JODY REID: Yeah, I would say, I do believe they’re still connected in that sense, but we have to go through certain life lessons. My thought is this, Alex. We sign up for a certain amount of things here, okay? And we have to grow through the experience. Otherwise, you can tell me all you want, but unless I’m living it, feeling it, breathing it, I’m not going to learn the lesson, right?

So if Source says you want courage, I’m going to place you in a place where you have to be courageous. So in that sense, you want more willpower— I’m going to place you in a space, and if you fail that, we have to keep repeating that until you get that. And I know that’s like a very light version of saying it, but I just believe we have to go through the very experience to obtain the lesson or the growth around that. And it’s really dark to us here. And yes, you’re right, it is. I’m not trying to put light on that situation at all.

But they have to. And for somebody who’s so spiritual, that is completely like the other end of the spectrum, if you ask me. But it’s something I believe that they sign up for, the experience. And anybody— you and I even, even viewing it— it helps us grow. People who are involved, people who are viewing it, people who are part of it. It’s about spiritual growth. And sometimes, like I said, looking at it humanly, it’s hard to swallow. But I believe at a soul level, there’s purpose around that too. There’s purpose on growth. And I do believe we kind of all go back to the same place too, from Source, regardless conscious of our actions.

ALEX FERRARI: Yeah, and you’re right, like, you and I are having a conversation about this publicly because of what happened. That is sparking conversation, sparking, you know, viewing yourself differently or going inward to go, well, why did that happen? And if it’s shaped— and I didn’t follow him religiously or anything like that. But he did have an impact in my spiritual life over the years. I read his books, listened to his courses, and when I was a younger man and so on. But for someone who was like all in, it could just rattle your entire world, just like what happened with the Catholic Church. When the scandal started to come out of the Catholic Church, there were millions and millions, tens of millions of followers who their entire faith was rattled because like, “Wait a minute.” That’s what you said.

JODY REID: Shakes our faith, right? I just wrote it down. I channel a little bit as we do this. But it does, Alex, it shakes our faith. But that’s— we have to go through that. How strong is your faith? How strong is your faith? How strong is what you absorb? Does it resonate with you? You might have got it from one source, and now that source is not exactly where you want to go in life, but don’t remove the message. Do you know what I mean? If it resonates with you, if it hits your heart, if it works for you, there’s a reason for that. We’re growing from it.

Spirit’s Role in Our Lives and Free Will

ALEX FERRARI: With everything that’s happening in the world right now, I feel that so many people want help, guidance in their life. I think we all do. We all want Yoda. We all want our own personal Yodas, to just be there and just explain things to us. And you’re like, “No, you’re not doing this right.” Who wouldn’t want someone like that in their life?

Can spirit on the other side help us through what we’re going through in our challenges in life? Because I always look at it like this. As a parent, you look at your kids growing up, and you see them about to make a mistake. And you a lot of times try to help them along the way. But I don’t know if you have children or teenagers, but when you hit the teenagers, it’s like, that’s just the most brutal time, I think, in raising a child, because they ignore you because they think they know everything. They’re at that stage that they think they know everything, and then they still get hit, or something happens to them that we try to avoid.

I feel that spirit is doing that with us, to just like, “Oh God, look at— oh, he’s got to go through it. That— gotta learn,” the kind of thing. Is that what’s going on on the other side?

JODY REID: I believe yes. They can’t take away from our lessons, but they can walk with us through it. So I don’t think we’re ever alone, even though sometimes it feels like we are. We’re not. Loved ones are always there. I feel like they’re a part of our guides as well. And then I believe we have our own personal guides, to help walk us through this.

But it’s opening up to that and understanding that we aren’t alone in those moments and that they are using these moments for our growth. So yeah, they will allow things to happen. They have to, right? And it’s like, that’s when we start to lose faith. It’s like, “Why did you let me lose that?” or “I lost my house. Why did you let me do that? Why did you let me go through that?” And then, several months later from that, something even bigger grows because I had something better. So that had to go away for me to replace it with something better. I don’t think we ever go backwards. I really don’t.

The Old Must Fall for the New to Rise

ALEX FERRARI: So I think what you just said can be applied to what’s happening to humanity right now. We have to get rid of the old in order to let the new rise. You can’t create a new food system until the old food system dies off. Can’t create a new medical field until the old medical field cracks and adjusts and changes into something that will benefit us, as opposed to benefiting large companies or big pharma or those kind of things.

My parents’ generation would walk into any human being that had a white coat on and obviously knew much more than they did and had to listen to everything they say. Where my generation was like— and then my kids’ generation is a whole— they’re just like, “Are you insane?” Like, they wouldn’t even entertain it.

JODY REID: No, no, exactly.

ALEX FERRARI: But you need that old system to kind of come down before the new system can birth, correct?

JODY REID: It’s true, it’s true. It’s like the phoenix, from the ashes, it rises again but better. I don’t think we ever go backwards.

Free Will in the Micro and the Macro

ALEX FERRARI: What role does free will play in all of this? Not only in our own lives, but in the macro, in the lives of the planet, of humanity’s consciousness. As a consciousness, I feel that we all have— there’s an entity called humanity’s consciousness, and there is a free will of how we want to move forward.

People are always afraid of like, “Oh, the world’s going to come to an end.” I’m like, we should have destroyed ourselves years ago. There’s someone watching over us. The second the bomb was created, how are we still here is beyond me. We really shouldn’t be.

JODY REID: Well, there you go. That says something, right, Alex?

ALEX FERRARI: Right. So what part does free will play in all of that, in the micro and the macro?

JODY REID: So micro, and like I said, on individual readings, I always feel like exactly like the example I gave you of, you know, you have this opportunity coming in, there’s these beings that are very influential potential, whether or not you want to take it. And the same thing with your Star Wars moment, right? It’s like, did I take the opportunity? You could have, but then that’s free will, right? Did I move forward with it?

So I do believe moments will be presented. Whether or not we move forward with it is entirely up to us. Do I think that things will be repeated if we don’t grow from it? Yeah, I do. And I think that can speak on a macro level too.

I feel like we get into science all about how we’re tethered, we’re entwined. What one person thinks, you can place it on another person, that person starts to feel it, and it goes on. So I feel like we are entwined as far as the world goes. And I think everybody, as long as the consciousness has the same kind of vision of what we want, we will move forward with it. And that, I guess, is free will in a sense.

But I also feel like we’re talking about destination too, and what was supposed to happen, the outcome. So yes, I feel like free will is definitely a big part of our life lessons too. It’s like we have— and those moments, that’s what I mean, it’s like this circle. It’s like, “Oh, I didn’t go to the Star Wars. Damn, I wish I had.” But what did you learn from it? That might save you from a huge opportunity. These people that are going to present themselves, you’re taking that lesson, you’re going for it this time because you’ve learned through the other. So I don’t feel like there’s a waste. I just don’t.

ALEX FERRARI: Yeah, exactly. We could— well, obviously next time I get a phone call from my friends, “Hey, I’m here,” I’m like, I would go. But on a bigger standpoint, when another opportunity in another place comes, that lesson I learned of not taking action, I’m like, “You know what, I’m going to go, I’m going to make the effort, I’m going to go and do this, I’m going to go do that,” kind of thing. And now thinking about it, I have a bunch of offers on the table. I’m like, maybe I should do that, maybe I should go over there.

JODY REID: Yeah, there’s nothing wasted, right? So if you did and you move forward with it, you’re getting something out of it, Alex. You are.

Timelines, Alternative Realities, and Infinite Versions of Ourselves

ALEX FERRARI: Sure. Yeah, exactly. I want to talk to you really quickly about something that fascinates me, and I’m not sure how much experience you have about this in your work, but timelines and shifting timelines in different alternative realities, which is a quantum physics idea, but it’s also a very metaphysical idea, and it goes back to the Vedic texts and things like that.

Do you have any experience of, when you’re speaking to spirit, about other versions of us doing other things in other lives? I do believe personally that we have an infinite amount of versions of us in this lifetime, all happening at the same time. So there’s a Jody who’s interviewing me in another lifetime, and you have a show, and I’m the guest, and vice versa. And we’re experiencing as a soul millions of infinite amount of experiences through this character.

We were also in Rome, we were also in Egypt, we were also in Atlantis, and many other iterations of incarnations. But this specific incarnation between you and I right now, there are infinite versions of this beyond what we can comprehend. What experience do you have with that? Have you run into anything in your work in regards to that with your clients or with yourself?

JODY REID: Yeah, I think on both levels, to be quite honest, depending on where the conversation would go. But for my own belief, I totally agree with you. I believe there are infinite possibilities too, of versions of ourselves.

I think we have to embody it. It’s almost like choosing. Everything is free will, right? It’s choice to step into that version of you. Because if you viewed something in a certain way, very positive— not to get into science, but your reticular activating system is going to project that into your reality. So you’re going to be drawn to that. So will I experience more happiness if I chose to go in that direction, and I chose to embody that? I chose to wake up happy. Am I going to experience or reflect or align with all happy experiences? Yeah, I am.

As opposed to waking up and, like The Secret says, you stub your toe, you get out of bed, you focus on that moment and then everything else kind of falls into place with that too. So you start to experience those fumbles or moments throughout your day because that is where your focus is. So I think focus is huge when it comes to obtaining or embodying that version of us. And I do think we can make it a reality. It’s our focus. “Where our attention goes, the energy flows,” right? You’ve heard that, I’m sure. And it’s keeping or sustaining that to get that result.

So yes, absolutely. And I also believe there’s a little bit of spirituality in there too, because I believe when you have a vision for yourself, Alex, your future self, I don’t think it’s just a vision or a thought. I think it’s a blueprint of your capability. So Spirit says, “I got this for you, don’t give up on it just because you can’t see the entire road ahead and you don’t have the whole map of how to get there.” And here comes surrender. You have to surrender and trust. “We got you,” and don’t let go of that version and keep embodying that feeling. And I do believe it will be a reality.

So yes, we can step into those versions of ourselves. Like I said, if I wake up and I follow that moment of stubbing my toe, that is going to be the version of me. I’m living it. I’m living that moment. So yeah, if we keep growing from it.

Closing Thoughts and Where to Find Jody Reid

ALEX FERRARI: So Jody, where can people find out more about you and the amazing work you’re doing in the world?

JODY REID: My website would be a great place to connect. It’s jodireadfmedium.ca. And then of course I’m on Facebook, whatnot.

ALEX FERRARI: Fair enough, fair enough. And finally, what message does spirit most want humanity to hear right now?

JODY REID: Remember how powerful you are and what you’re capable of without the dictation of anybody within yourself. Look inward.

ALEX FERRARI: Jody, it has been a pleasure talking to you today. Thank you so much for being on the show and having this deep conversation about all things that we went through. A bunch of different roads today, for sure. But I hope it does help somebody, and I do appreciate everything you’re doing to help awaken consciousness and humanity in general. So thank you.

JODY REID: Well, Alex, I thank you, and I appreciate you too.

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