Aliens Are Making Contact 3,000 Years Ahead w/ Darryl Anka (Transcript)

Meaning you’ve been channeling for 41 years, for thousands of years. Right. Of human history. We have recorded history of people receiving information. Right?

DARRYL ANKA: Right.

MAYIM BIALIK: And in theory, for as long as humans has existed, we’ve been interacting with a lot of other, theoretically entities or levels of consciousness. So I guess my question would be just like every generation is like, “Boy, these kids today, they’ve got it so easy.” Is this information that you feel is timely, literally for this generation, is there something special about the era that we are living in that is different than, let’s say, a thousand years ago?

DARRYL ANKA: I believe this goes in cycles, and I believe we have sort of been here before, but I think that every one of those cycles adds a little bit more. But now I think we’re at a threshold. I think we have enough, let’s say, inertia or momentum.

There is now more of a mass understanding of these kinds of things rather than it being, let’s say, consolidated just within a priesthood or some particular secret cult or something along that line. Now it’s like something that everyone can kind of be aware of, whether they’re into it or not. People are not so freaked out by somebody saying things like, “I saw a UFO,” and stuff like that.

So I think the difference now is the cumulation of information that we now have that is helping to generate a stronger momentum to move in a new direction. Because I kind of call a lot of this stuff “the biggest secret that everyone already knows.” It’s just that nobody talks about it as much. But now we are starting to do a lot of dialogue about this kind of thing. You heard about the recent congressional hearings on UFOs and whistleblowers and —

MAYIM BIALIK: — trying to create many people.

DARRYL ANKA: Exactly. Trying to create laws so that people don’t lose their careers by talking about this kind of thing. So to me that’s a major difference. That’s a sea change.

Darryl’s Origin Story

MAYIM BIALIK: We’re going to get to kind of the larger kind of purpose. And I would say output. Right. Of a lot of the messages that you’re able to articulate. This is the formula, a gift from the future, which has many, many cool different parts that we want to get to in different ways.

I have to ask you to explain to us a little bit of your origin story because, you know what, I am trained as a neuroscientist. Jonathan is a writer and a creative. But he has a background in energy healing. So we’re this kind of interesting combination. And I believe in many things that I cannot see or quantify or understand. And I think what’s really kind of refreshing about the way you speak about your own abilities is that you acknowledge that there’s not a way to prove —

DARRYL ANKA: No, not at all.

MAYIM BIALIK: — what’s necessarily happening. And but it doesn’t mean that the information’s not valuable.

DARRYL ANKA: Right. The information in itself is the proof because it actually does make changes in your life. And that’s what I want people to focus on anyway, because I don’t really know exactly where this is coming from. This is the way it presents itself. And I have to go with it because that’s the way it comes through. But no one has to believe that Bashar is real.

MAYIM BIALIK: I want you to explain to us in kind of the simplest terms that you can, what you understand about your identity. And then I want you to take us through how you got there.

The UFO Sightings That Changed Everything

DARRYL ANKA: This is 50 years ago, 1973-ish. And I had two very close broad daylight UFO sightings here over Los Angeles. First time about 150 feet away and the second time only about 70 feet away, with witnesses with me both times. And I actually brought some things to help — we love a visual aid — just sort of give you some idea of —

MAYIM BIALIK: And how old were you when this happened?

DARRYL ANKA: This is in my 20s, about 23 or so.

MAYIM BIALIK: Did you believe in aliens? UFOs? What kind of person were you when you had this experience?

DARRYL ANKA: I’ve always been a creative. I’ve always been an artist. I’ve been drawing ever since I could pick up a pencil. I always heard people talk about, “Oh, I saw a UFO.” I never really gave it much thought. I was very much enjoying things like science fiction and stuff like that, Star Trek and what have you. But no, I never knew or gave any thought to whether that was really real until I saw something and then it’s like, okay, the world is not what I thought.

There is something going on here that we’ve been told is fake or not real. But it is. Because once you see something like that that close physically, it changes everything.

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DARRYL ANKA: This is basically a CG recruitment recreation of what I saw. I mean, having seen that.

MAYIM BIALIK: Hold on. It’s not every day that someone is sitting in this chair saying I saw up close with witnesses and an unidentified object anomalous phenomenon. Okay, so what happened? Like, walk us through it.

The UFO Sightings That Changed Everything

DARRYL ANKA: Me, a friend, my brother, my sister, and the brother of my friend. We’re driving down the San Diego Freeway back into the valley. There’s that long grade that goes down into the valley. And at the intersection of the 405 and the 101 there is about a 12 story hotel that I think has changed hands a couple of times.

I’m the one driving. So I’m looking ahead. It’s just before dusk and everyone’s talking and not paying attention to anything. But I’m looking out and I’m seeing these two bright lights hovering over the hotel. Now I’m thinking at first, well, that’s just one of those weird illusions where because of the way I’m moving and because of the way this plane is moving, it doesn’t look like it’s moving, it’s just an optical illusion. But it was hovering, but it was just stock still. So I thought, okay, is it a helicopter hovering over the hotel? Why is it hovering over the hotel?

The closer we got down to it, I started drawing everyone’s attention. “Look at those lights.” Because again, I could see it wasn’t really a helicopter. I didn’t know what it was, but it wasn’t moving. It was just hovering right over the hotel. As soon as we got close enough, we could see it was this black equilateral triangular craft, stock still in the air with these blue white lights on each point and this dull red orange light in the center. And we were all staring at it going, “What the hell is that?”

And as soon as we passed it, I was going to go onto the 101 toward LA. So it was on my left above the hotel and as soon as we passed, moved across to the other side of the freeway. So it was on my left again because we came around this way. So now it’s over here and I’m looking at this thing gliding across the valley in the most unusual way because it was like it was moving on a sheet of glass. There was no bobbling like an airplane, it was just like sliding and it went over the mountains. So we’re all like freaking out and going, “Oh my God, we just saw a UFO.”

MAYIM BIALIK: Were other people like, did you notice anyone else noticing it?

DARRYL ANKA: Many, many years later, I heard a report that someone also saw it at the same time, described the same thing. But at that time, no. And that’s kind of part of the weirdest thing of the second sighting we had because it was literally a week later.

MAYIM BIALIK: And also, just to be clear, yeah, there are many things in the sky that we may not know what they are. It doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s an alien craft. No, it’s just part of the government conversation about there could be things that are secrets, there could be things that are beyond our.

DARRYL ANKA: However, this thing made no noise, right? It was completely silent and moved like nothing I’ve ever seen.

MAYIM BIALIK: Like it was not obeying the laws of this universe.

DARRYL ANKA: And this is back in 1973. That’s what I was going to say. Very early. Yeah.

MAYIM BIALIK: We were still living in huts.

DARRYL ANKA: Well, I don’t even think. I don’t even know if the Stealth bomber was on the drawing board at that point.

MAYIM BIALIK: Yeah.

The Second Sighting: Up Close and Personal

DARRYL ANKA: So very unusual. So the second.

MAYIM BIALIK: A week later.

DARRYL ANKA: A week later. I’m driving now with the same friend in the passenger seat, this woman named Tracy. And we are stopped at an intersection at Pico and Westwood. And suddenly this thing comes literally, like, 70ft up in the air.

MAYIM BIALIK: It wanted either Junior’s Deli or the Burger Chef.

DARRYL ANKA: Crossing the street, and we were looking at each other like, again, like, “What? Are we being invaded? What’s going on?” So I decided to follow it. So I turned right and it went over. This neighborhood was kind of zigzagging. She was leaning out the window, shotgunning, telling me, “It’s over there. It’s over there,” because there’s a lot of trees. I was kind of losing it. She said, “Turn this way. Turn that way.” So we were literally zigzagging through the neighborhood trying to follow this thing. We could intermittently see it over the trees.

And finally we kind of lost sight of it. And just on instinct, at one point, I made a hard right on the street. And she just yelled, “Stop.” And I slammed on the brakes. We looked up. This thing is hovering above the car about 60ft. And then it just shot up in the blink of an eye into the clouds like that, and it was gone.

And we got out and we looked around. There wasn’t a soul on the street. Nobody walking their dog, nobody watering their lawn. Nobody else saw this thing. It was the most surreal experience.

So after that, I said, “Okay, I gotta find out what this is all about, if there’s any information on this at all.” So I started doing a lot of research, reading books.

MAYIM BIALIK: Also, there was no Internet that we could be using. Access things.

DARRYL ANKA: No. This was one shelf in a bookstore that had every single metaphysical or bizarre book on it all in one shelf. And I just kind of, like, went down the shelf. And that’s when I started, not only reading about whatever there was on UFOs, but anything having to do with psychic functioning, anything to do with channeling the Seth material. So I just kind of started getting familiar with a lot of that.

JONATHAN COHEN: So it was that moment that precipitated your curiosity.

MAYIM BIALIK: If you see one alien spaceship, I’d be like, that’s two in a week.

DARRYL ANKA: And the same kind of craft, at least, if not the same craft. It was like, “The world is not what I was told.”

MAYIM BIALIK: Does it feel like you’re going crazy? Because I would imagine upon seeing that, that it might feel like, am I in this reality?

From Sightings to Channeling: A Ten-Year Journey

DARRYL ANKA: Well, that’s more the feeling. It wasn’t that I was going crazy. It was like, “The world is not what I was told. Something different is happening. There’s another reality here.” That’s what it felt like. It felt very disorienting. Not crazy, but disorienting. So that’s why I really had to find out anything I could about this.

Ten years after the sightings and after I had done a lot of research, I was introduced to a channel who was doing events at the time. Now that I had sort of read the Seth material, I knew kind of what channeling was. But this person said, “Go and listen to this.” And I went and I listened and I went for a few months. And I thought, “Okay, this is interesting information. It’s very helpful.”

MAYIM BIALIK: What kind of information was it?

DARRYL ANKA: Not unlike what comes through my channel. Just in terms of, like, how to better your life, how to improve things, how to be more creative, but with really interesting, grounded sort of techniques and practical ideas. Nothing airy fairy.

And in fact, that was kind of the funny thing about that teacher. All of this sort of semi spiritual information is coming through this guy. And as soon as he comes out of his altered state, it’s like, “Where’s my cigarettes?” And “Give me a hamburger and a cup of coffee.” He’s very much not that at all. So the personality shift was very, very evident.

The entity coming through, or whatever coming through that particular person, ultimately said that they would teach a channeling class. And I thought, “Well, wait a minute. Everything I’ve read so far was that a person is just, like, walking down the street and they just pass out and start talking.” Like, it’s just something that happens to them. How do you teach something like that?

MAYIM BIALIK: I mean, better question, how do you learn something like that?

The Telepathic Hit: First Contact with Bashar

DARRYL ANKA: Yeah, exactly. So I was very curious. “Okay, I want to see what this teaching technique is all about.” So I went into the class just to do my research, not thinking I’m going to become a channel, because again, it wasn’t expected that you would do that. It was just like, “Well, maybe this will help you get in touch with your creativity or your own higher mind or whatever you want to do.”

The class was 12 weeks. It was different guided meditations and exercises. About halfway through the course, six weeks in, when we were under a guided meditation being given by the entity coming through the channel, I just received what I can only describe as a telepathic hit.

In the instant that that happened, a memory came back of having made an agreement to do this in this life. I understood that the UFO had been shown to me on purpose to get me to start doing the research. The word Bashar was there. It’s an Arabic word. I don’t speak Arabic. The face of the being was there. And I thought, “Okay, now I’m going crazy. This is a hallucination. There’s something happening to me. The meditations are doing this or whatever.”

MAYIM BIALIK: So you’re in this class and they’re

DARRYL ANKA: leading you through a meditation.

MAYIM BIALIK: Like, drop in. Focus on your focus.

DARRYL ANKA: Yeah. “Focus on the color green and relax your body. Focus on.”

MAYIM BIALIK: And how many minutes into this are we? Are we, like, is it three minutes in? It’s 10 minutes in.

DARRYL ANKA: Yeah. I’d say, yeah. 15, 20 minutes into the.

MAYIM BIALIK: So you’re breathing, you’re quiet. And then literally all of a sudden, bang.

DARRYL ANKA: It’s like somebody shoved a CD in. All of this is there. All of a sudden, the minute this happened, the second it happened, the entity stopped talking to the class and turned right to me. And I opened my eyes, and he said, “There’s an entity here for you right now if you’re ready to begin.” And I said, “What?”

And I looked behind me. Somehow, one of the other classmates, a woman, had picked up on the image I saw in my head of Bashar’s face. She was sketching it on a piece of paper. So I said, “Okay, okay. This is not just my imagination. Somebody else is picking up on this, so I’m going to see where this goes.”

And I continued to practice this and let it through, and let it through, and let it through. I did enough that the teacher asked me to co-channel the next class with him.

JONATHAN COHEN: In that moment, you started to practice at the end.

DARRYL ANKA: Yeah. The next time, you just keep practicing, letting it through, bringing words through. It was very halting, very difficult at first to contain the energy that was coming through, but I kept going.

MAYIM BIALIK: What does it feel like?

The Brain, Bashar, and Parallel Realities

DARRYL ANKA: The best way I can describe it, I use an analogy. It’s like trying to shove Hoover Dam through a garden hose. The pressure is immense. And it’s just this extra energy that you just wonder, can I contain this?

JONATHAN COHEN: Does it require translation or. The words are right there.

DARRYL ANKA: The words are automatically there. That’s what’s the weird thing. And I can get into that in a little bit of how that works, actually.

But I did well enough that he asked me to teach the next class, which is the class where I met my wife, Erica. But at the same time, a woman came along and was talking to him about wanting to do a thesis paper on the connection between psychology and channeling. So she was looking for volunteers. So I became one of her subjects. I would go to her house, her friends would come. I would channel for them. She’d sit in her chair and take notes.

First week was like five friends, word of mouth. Next week was 10 friends, word of mouth. Next week was 20 friends, growing and growing, sharing tapes and recordings. Then I would have to do it twice a week. Then I’d have to do it in two houses. Then people would start inviting me to different cities, people started inviting me to different countries. Here I am, 41 years later, still doing it.

MAYIM BIALIK: In that first moment that you received this information, you received some sort of acknowledgement or awareness that you had kind of signed up for this.

DARRYL ANKA: Yes. And the message that was there was, “Now it’s time to begin. If this is something you still want to do.”

JONATHAN COHEN: Were they testing you?

DARRYL ANKA: It was a choice. It was an offer given to me that way. Even though I know in the memory I made an agreement to do this. They were still saying, whoever they were, “Is this something you still want to do?”

MAYIM BIALIK: When was this agreement made to your understanding?

DARRYL ANKA: My understanding is it was made prior to this incarnation.

MAYIM BIALIK: So who are you?

DARRYL ANKA: There’s several ways I can answer that. One way I like to answer it is, I am you. From another point of view, we are all souls. We are all part of source. We’re drops in the ocean. This is just, I guess, what I chose. This is what happened to me. This is the way it happened for me.

But that’s why I tell people, you don’t have to believe it, because I can’t prove that this is another entity. It could be another aspect of my own consciousness. I don’t know. Because the human mind is mysterious and we don’t know a lot about it, but this is the way it presents itself. And of course, I have my own validations, like the UFO dream encounters I’ve had with him that are not normal dreams that are just conversations like I’m having with you for an hour in the dream state. But that’s not important for anyone to have to believe to get benefit out of the information.

The Science of Channeling

JONATHAN COHEN: You’ve studied your brain in the documentary that you did about how it changes when you’re with that entity versus when you’re not with that entity. And I think that’s a really important point to talk about. That distinction.

DARRYL ANKA: Can you explain it to us because you’re a neuroscientist? Yeah. I mean, that was one of the reasons why we made the documentary, is to explain how this happened and also to demystify channeling, because everyone channels. It’s called gamma. In the brain, that’s the channeling state. 40 to 100 cycles per second is gamma. That’s the channeling state.

JONATHAN COHEN: She channels when she organizes.

DARRYL ANKA: Everyone channels when they do what they love to do. When you’re not paying attention to the passage of time, when you’re in the zone, you are in a channeling state. You’re in gamma. And that’s what we discovered is that’s where I go when I’m channeling. And certain things happen in the brain during the channeling state.

MAYIM BIALIK: The set point, and we’re talking about a set point. The set point is stable. It’s a stable kind of state and rarely fluctuates over the lifespan. When Darryl channels, it changes in minutes.

DARRYL ANKA: My basic understanding, as it was explained to me, is at a certain point in your life, the human brain sort of arrives at a level where it starts processing information and it stays there for the rest of your life. Unless you have a head trauma or something that changes it.

JONATHAN COHEN: Like during your conscious awake phases.

DARRYL ANKA: Yeah. This is the way you process information at this rate of speed, and it stays that way for the rest of your life. And it’s not ever supposed to change.

But when I channel, it goes up almost immediately. When the entity is talking, it goes from. My stable resting place is nine hertz, nine cycles a second. When the entity is talking, it goes to 10. When the entity is listening, it goes to 11. And what the technician said to her that that represented is he’s listening more intently than what he’s actually talking about. And when he’s listening that intently, it’s more of an empathic connection where I’m hearing everything you’re saying on every level, so I can respond to you thoroughly and properly about what you’re really asking.

Who Is Bashar?

MAYIM BIALIK: Who is Bashar? Meaning, is he one of many? Is he the one?

DARRYL ANKA: No, no, no. He’s an extraterrestrial physical entity. This is a telepathic connection. He is a member of a civilization. He is helping us move forward, like many other extraterrestrials theoretically are.

MAYIM BIALIK: Where does he live? Like, do we know?

DARRYL ANKA: Yes, he says where his planet is and where his solar system is, but it’s in a parallel reality. So hard. I know. So he’s saying if you want to overlap his universe with our universe, his solar system would be in about 500 light years in the direction of the Orion constellation. But you can’t see it unless you shift into his universe. He can’t see ours unless he shifts into our universe.

JONATHAN COHEN: What’s happening in that parallel universe?

DARRYL ANKA: Well, what isn’t happening? I mean, what’s happening in our universe? There’s so many things.

JONATHAN COHEN: Meaning.

DARRYL ANKA: Are there supermarkets on his planet?

MAYIM BIALIK: No, it’s my anthropomorphic obsession that he has to be like a creature. Like he could be an entity that is communicating in a way that doesn’t even have a physical manifestation.

DARRYL ANKA: But he. Yes, it doesn’t require a physical manifestation, but he does have a physical manifestation.

MAYIM BIALIK: What does he look like?

DARRYL ANKA: He’s a hybrid being. And if you know anything about alien abduction.

MAYIM BIALIK: A little bit.

DARRYL ANKA: You know what the grays look like? Yeah, yeah. 50-50 between us and a gray hybrid. So five feet tall on average. Relatively slender. Skin about this white. Eyes larger than ours. Ears, nose, mouth smaller than ours. Head a little larger. Males don’t have hair. Females do. Tends to be white. Very slender. Typical hybrid extraterrestrial.

MAYIM BIALIK: “Typical hybrid extraterrestrial” is not something I ever thought we’d be talking about. Typical hybrid.

DARRYL ANKA: Extraterrestrial.

JONATHAN COHEN: And is he helping as a hobby or is it part of his job?

DARRYL ANKA: He’s a first contact specialist.

JONATHAN COHEN: And is there like a genius bar for first contact specialists? Is there like a whole organization and they’re all helping in different ways?

DARRYL ANKA: Yes, it is a calling in his society. Along with social engineers, planetary engineers, all sorts of different kinds of things.

Open Contact and the 2027 Prediction

MAYIM BIALIK: What is required for me to have access to believing?

DARRYL ANKA: I can’t in any way, shape or form imagine anything that would make you believe. It would simply be your choice to say, there is a usable amount of information here that’s down to earth and practical and actually can create a physical effect in my life. And that’s all that’s important for you to get a hold of right now. Because if, in fact, we are going to have open contact within a couple of years, well, then you’ll have all the proof of extraterrestrials that you need, which I do believe is about to happen.

MAYIM BIALIK: So when you started channeling, did you also believe that was imminent or has this evolved?

DARRYL ANKA: This has evolved.

MAYIM BIALIK: Got it.

DARRYL ANKA: This has evolved. He originally said there was a particular window in which open contact was going to happen, which I think originally, many years ago, was somewhere between 2020 and 2033. And over the years, he has been narrowing it down as we have been doing things like discussing disclosure and all that. So he is now saying, and actually he’s not the only person saying, other psychic mediums have also corroborated this, that probably in 2027, we will be introduced to, literally to extraterrestrials by an official report.

MAYIM BIALIK: I really want that to happen. The main reason I want it to happen is that so people stop saying that it’s not real. Like, we can stop fighting about it.

DARRYL ANKA: Yeah, well, disclosure that’s happening is one of the steps. Starting to take it seriously.

MAYIM BIALIK: I mean, there’s still so much resistance.

The Grays, Hybridization, and Earth’s Cosmic Role

DARRYL ANKA: …to it, of course, and there probably will be even after open contact, because people will be in denial or they won’t want it to be real. They’ll claim it’s AI, they’ll claim it’s fake.

JONATHAN COHEN: Whatever.

DARRYL ANKA: He’s not saying everyone’s going to go, okay, we’re all kumbaya. No, it’s going to take a couple of decades for humanity to get used to the idea. But he’s saying, but it has to happen soon because you have to have the time before humanity’s reset period to absorb all of this at your own pace, in the way that you want to. We’re not going to force it on you.

JONATHAN COHEN: First contact specialist. Are they there as, like, a non-profit? I’m wondering if they have a vested interest in Earth being successful in some kind of way.

DARRYL ANKA: Absolutely. Well, first of all, like I said, they’re a hybrid race, which means they’re genetically connected to us. So they consider us to be family, in a sense. They consider us to be like ancestors.

MAYIM BIALIK: They’ve been around longer than we have, much like millions of years.

DARRYL ANKA: Not their society specifically, but other ETs. Yes. Since they are a hybrid race created through a hybridization process, through a genetic process, they are, in a sense, relative to the galaxy, a relatively new race. But in their reality, in their parallel reality, in relation to them, we would consider them to be about 3,000 years ahead of us in advance.

They’re trying to help us avoid some of the pitfalls that the species that created them went through. Because his story of what the Grays are is that they used to be a parallel reality version of Earth. They used to be human. They destroyed their world. They had to mutate to survive into what we now see as the Grays. They lost the ability to reproduce. They had to shift into other parallel realities where human DNA was still viable, like ours, and used that to create hybrids to perpetuate their culture.

MAYIM BIALIK: Has this come to you in bits and pieces over the years? Was this an early…

DARRYL ANKA: No. He did lay this out a few years ago, but more and more detail has been coming out over the years about why this is happening, how it’s happening, and why they’re helping us. They’re noticing we’re making the same mistakes, and they don’t want us to have to make the same mistakes and do the same thing that turned their reality into the Grays.

Humanity’s Failure to Cooperate and the Case for Open Contact

JONATHAN COHEN: Humans are trying to figure out right now how to coexist on a planet that has shared resources, and we cannot, for the life of us, work collectively as a species.

DARRYL ANKA: Right.

JONATHAN COHEN: Big problem when the survival of the species requires global cooperation.

DARRYL ANKA: Yes. And that’s one of the reasons I think we’re about to have open contact. I’m going to put this in this language. It’s about time for the adults to step in and say, “That’s enough. You’re messing up the planet. It’s very important that you don’t.”

JONATHAN COHEN: Is our technological progress, specifically with the development of AI, the beginning of the hybridization process?

DARRYL ANKA: It’s one level of what we will merge with in the future. But it’s not the beginning. The hybridization process has been going on for thousands of years.

MAYIM BIALIK: So when people say they’re abducted by aliens because they’re taking their DNA, this…

JONATHAN COHEN: …means that’s why they need the human DNA to go back to help them propagate the species that has basically been unable to advance because of the mutations and degradation of their…

DARRYL ANKA: Yes, and therefore the hybrids are now helping us to avoid the same fate.

The Zoo Hypothesis and Alien Intervention

JONATHAN COHEN: We spoke to Robin Hanson. We speak to many people who think about contact in very different forms. And his perspective with the zoo hypothesis — that aliens are monitoring the progression of Earth potentially because it is safer for us not to leave the planet, because it will create an intergalactic upset if we’re launching ourselves off into the galaxy — what do you say?

DARRYL ANKA: I’d say there’s a little bit of truth to that, but I don’t think there’s actually much that we could do. Other than that, they will not allow us to have a global thermonuclear war. I think they’ve demonstrated that very clearly on several occasions when UFOs have hovered over missile silos and scrambled the launch codes. And that’s been their way of saying, “You’re not doing that.” This is too valuable of a place for souls to incarnate into, to learn things, to learn lessons, to grow. And they’re not going to allow humanity, now that it’s reached a level where it could annihilate the entire planet — they’re saying, “No, you can’t do that.” So that’s one of the reasons why I think they’re finally stepping in.

JONATHAN COHEN: Do we get to that place because there are just rogue souls who are unruly and childlike? And why are we even at the precipice where our salvation has to be monitored in this way?

DARRYL ANKA: Earth is a tough school. Earth is a school of polarities, very extreme polarities. Different planets have different kinds of cycles, different kinds of reasons for being. Souls that incarnate on Earth are like going through a master graduating class of learning to transform negative to positive, darkness to light, limitation to freedom.

But a soul can come in saying, “I’m going to cause a lot of chaos in this life, because if I cause enough, maybe humanity will finally say, ‘Enough,’ and really learn the lesson and figure out how to not have that happen again.”

MAYIM BIALIK: You mean good chaos or bad chaos?

DARRYL ANKA: Bad chaos. It’s a yin and a yang kind of situation where you can use the negative to foment a positive change, by making people so sick and tired of being sick and tired that they finally say, “Stop.”

MAYIM BIALIK: What do you think it is about our experience now that requires this kind of change?

DARRYL ANKA: Well, I think that we’ve arrived at a point, like I said, where things have come to a head — where we can be completely out of control to the point where the planet can be annihilated. And they’re saying, “No, you can’t do that.” And now it’s time, like I said, for the adults to come in and say, “Look, we’ve been helping you behind the scenes for a long time, and there are some people on your planet that know that, and we are working with them secretly. But now it’s got to be out in the open. Everyone has to understand that. Not that we’re forcing ourselves on you, but everyone has to understand that this is another choice.”

Darryl’s Personal Experience as a Channel

MAYIM BIALIK: If you knew then what you know now, would you still have chosen to be the recipient of this kind of channeling?

DARRYL ANKA: Oh, absolutely. I am driven to just help people on every level. If I see someone in the mall that’s looking confused, I will stop and say, “What are you looking for? Let me help you.”

MAYIM BIALIK: Don’t be like, “Let me channel what you need.”

DARRYL ANKA: I’m just driven to help people. And so I think if I understood from the beginning that this is something that was really going to help people, I would have chosen to continue to do it anyway. That’s one of the things I get out of it. Not only that it’s helped my life, but that people are constantly coming back to me and saying, “This made such a big difference in my life when I applied the information properly and got a result. And my life is so much better now.” That’s extremely gratifying.

MAYIM BIALIK: Has there been a time when you’ve gotten information that you did not want, or that you did not want to communicate? Or when you wished — in the sort of TV movie of your life — was there a moment where you were like, “I don’t want this information”?

DARRYL ANKA: No, never. There are moments I can tell in the channeling when there is information being withheld that is not an appropriate time to deliver it.

MAYIM BIALIK: What does that feel like?

DARRYL ANKA: It feels like I know there’s something else there, but I’m not supposed to say anything.

MAYIM BIALIK: Do you have other special powers? Like, do you have other things — other intuitive senses?

DARRYL ANKA: More and more lately, because this is rubbing off on me in a way. When I drive, I definitely have a spider sense. If there’s a car coming out from the side and I can’t see it, I know there’s a car coming out, and I stop, and there is inevitably a car coming out. So it’s honed those kinds of vibrational senses a lot. It’s honed some telepathic abilities. It’s increased the synchronicity that I experience in my life to the level where it’s almost ridiculous.

One of the movies we were going to make, I wanted a particular person to narrate it. Now, that’s not who wound up doing it, but this is the level in which synchronicity has started happening in my life. This particular actor — we said, “Okay, we’ll send a letter to his agent.” So we sent the letter off saying we’d like him to narrate this movie. The next day, my wife and I were meeting a friend who suggested a restaurant I had never been to before. We walk in the restaurant — who’s walking out?

MAYIM BIALIK: That actor?

JONATHAN COHEN: Yeah.

DARRYL ANKA: So things like that have been happening more and more and more, just to ridiculous proportions.

Souls, the Afterlife, and Earth as a Cosmic Hotspot

JONATHAN COHEN: Thinking a little bit more about how it works — not just channeling, but how the Earth works. I love this explanation of what is this society, this civilization that’s so far ahead of us, and what do they know? We speak to a lot of people who have NDEs, and they talk about seeing beyond the veil, outside of this physical reality. And one of the things they talk a lot about is the evolution of soul — souls incarnating and then leaving.

DARRYL ANKA: Right.

JONATHAN COHEN: Do you have a sense of when a soul comes in and leaves — is that a contained ecosystem? Are they going back out and going to other parts of the galaxy and taking those lessons? How much is just sort of staying in the Earth ecosystem versus going back out and sharing?

DARRYL ANKA: My understanding is that once you are your non-physical self, your soul self, you have absolutely unlimited free will to choose anything you want, whatever that may be. So you can remain in spirit, you can explore other dimensions, you can incarnate in other planets, you can come back to Earth and incarnate, you can do anything. And probably there are things we can’t even imagine — because we’re not there right now — as options that we could be given.

JONATHAN COHEN: Is Earth the hottest nightclub in the galaxy?

DARRYL ANKA: It is unique in certain ways because of the mix of things going on here. I’m sure there are other worlds that may be going through some certain similar things — we’re not the only one. But Earth is unique in terms of the mix of the kinds of things we’re experiencing here. And that’s another big story about why that may be.

JONATHAN COHEN: It’s got the best DJs.

Bashar’s Other Channels and States of Consciousness

MAYIM BIALIK: Does Bashar communicate through other people as well?

DARRYL ANKA: He did temporarily, to help them start channeling what they needed to channel, but then pulled back after he was done with that. At this point, I’m the only one that does that with him. There are other members of his society that channel through other people.

MAYIM BIALIK: Do you know those people?

DARRYL ANKA: I know a couple of them.

MAYIM BIALIK: And does it track?

DARRYL ANKA: It really does, because it’s freaky. Because if you’ve seen him channeling, you know how distinctly different his personality is — watching that come through another person. And especially like one time, a Japanese woman, and it’s that personality coming through a Japanese woman. It’s like, “Okay, that’s him.”

JONATHAN COHEN: Do you feel a little cheated on?

DARRYL ANKA: No.

MAYIM BIALIK: What is your understanding about where these things live — meaning these concepts, these ideas? Is it different states of consciousness that we’re accessing? What is it that you’re tapping into?

The Soul, Passion, and How Alien Ships Travel

DARRYL ANKA: What’s happening is, I’m altering my brain waves to go to a certain state. He alters his brainwaves to go to a certain state. We kind of meet in the middle and lock in frequency like two tuning forks vibrating in harmony. And when that happens, I become a translation device for his thoughts.

And that’s kind of what I was leading up to earlier is when someone asks a question, the entire answer is there in a split second. It takes time for it to unspool in my language. That’s why you never hear him say, or any hesitation when the information comes out, because it’s already all there. And it’s just some automatic function that’s been trained into me to let it translate into English.

MAYIM BIALIK: So why would Bashar, who’s trying to communicate with us on a higher level, to communicate the kind of information that you are sending out, right, to people in this universe or in this reality. Why would he — should he bother himself with people’s trivial questions?

DARRYL ANKA: Because nothing is trivial to him. There is a reason why someone is asking it. And very often when someone asks what you might think is a trivial question, he’ll find a reason to pull it around in another direction and show why it was important for that person to ask that question, or how it can even serve other members in the audience who may be reluctant to ask their question.

MAYIM BIALIK: And those things collectively, in theory, could help us as a people.

DARRYL ANKA: Yes.

MAYIM BIALIK: Elevate our consciousness. Elevate our psychological health. Right. If I’m having a problem with my mother or my thought.

DARRYL ANKA: Exactly.

MAYIM BIALIK: If people come to you with that, there’s a larger system at play, correct?

DARRYL ANKA: Yes. One of the things — the woman that runs Bashar Communications, who is the official distributor of the information, also is very familiar with different forms of psychology. To her, Bashar is a new level of psychology in terms of how he phrases things and how he says things work in the human brain and in our — whatever we want to call that — our makeup.

We have this science fiction notion that an alien should be able to answer any question we ask them. That’s not necessarily true. Bashar has a specific function. Like I said, he’s a first contact specialist. He’s not a physicist. He’s not something else. He has a basic knowledge of what we might consider to be some more advanced ideas about physics because for them, that’s the level that they’re at.

But he is essentially, as a first contact specialist, more of a diplomat psychologist, because he needs to express to us why we do what we do, why we choose to believe what we believe, and how we can change it in ways that make it more constructive for us. That’s his understanding of how we change things in this world — why do we do the things we do, why do we believe what we believe, and how can we change those things?

Being Yourself: The Highest Purpose

JONATHAN COHEN: We have some basic principles from Bashar which I think would be helpful to explore a little bit. And one of them that stands out to me is the highest purpose for your life is to be yourself, to be the best to your ability, and to live each moment as fully as possible.

DARRYL ANKA: Yes.

JONATHAN COHEN: Is it the biggest issue with humanity that we actually don’t know who we are or how to live fully ourselves?

DARRYL ANKA: Yes. We are trying to be everything that we’re not. And that’s where the struggle comes from. We’re told you have to do it this way, you have to do it that way. Don’t do this. Don’t stand out, don’t follow your dreams. Be practical. That doesn’t work. That’s not realistic.

And that causes all the trouble because then we’re denying who we are and what we are, and we never find out what we are. And we go into all sorts of self-recriminations and self-doubt and lack of self-worth and depression and suicide and all sorts of stuff, just because we’re not allowed to actually figure out what and who we really are and why we’re really here.

So that’s the main thing he’s trying to do is — look, there are principles that are literally like instruction manuals for how you create your physical reality experience. And if you just follow them, you will find that your life will work because you’re using the same principles now, but you’re doing it unconsciously. And therefore, you’re not making conscious choices that are to your benefit. You’re making choices very often that are not to your benefit, that you think are to your benefit, but are actually counter to who you are. And that’s what drags you down.

JONATHAN COHEN: People think that they’re making these decisions consciously and on purpose, but really they’re being propelled to do it in a way that isn’t serving them quite often.

DARRYL ANKA: Because, again, we have all sorts of things. We pick up on body language telepathically from our parents, our society, our schooling, our friends that we absorb because we think we have to in order to survive, in order to get along, in order to belong. And later on, we don’t realize that all of those things are now shoved into our unconscious mind. And we’re sort of acting on this robotic programming where we think we’re doing the right thing and we’re constantly doing things that might work for other people but don’t work for us.

Following Your Passion — With Practicality

JONATHAN COHEN: I sit in two camps simultaneously. One is in the spiritual realm of believing that you need to find the things that bring you joy, that allow you to enter those brain states where time is passing and you’re not thinking about it. And that’s where we truly thrive.

DARRYL ANKA: Yes.

JONATHAN COHEN: And I believe that when you can really do that, you will develop a skill set that you’ll find a way to earn a living at.

DARRYL ANKA: Exactly.

JONATHAN COHEN: And then the other camp is, that’s all fine and good, but what if the thing that really lights you up is like knitting, crochet, and there’s only a certain living you’re going to make selling that on Etsy. And you have to be practical enough to balance these two.

DARRYL ANKA: Two things.

MAYIM BIALIK: Knitting and crocheting are two different things.

DARRYL ANKA: Two things. First and foremost, Bashar says you have to honor your belief system. If you don’t believe your passion can support you, do not stop doing what you believe you need for support. Because there’s no sense jumping off a cliff if you don’t have a parachute.

MAYIM BIALIK: We can’t have the hippies running the whole world.

DARRYL ANKA: No. However, the thing of it is, people don’t understand how it actually works. When you follow your passion, they confuse that idea and add a lot of things that are really not in sync with what passion is and how it actually can support you.

From his perspective, you don’t have a soul, you are a soul. It’s more accurate from his perspective to say not that your body has a soul, but that your soul has a body.

MAYIM BIALIK: It’s your meat suit.

You Are a Soul Having a Physical Experience

DARRYL ANKA: Even less than that. In other words, I’ll start from scratch. Imagine as a soul that you are just this sphere of energy. And it’s full of ripples and patterns that represent different concepts and ideas — vibrational patterns that represent ideas in the soul.

And energy being non-physical, when it decides to have an incarnation, a physical experience, it’s going to take some of those patterns that represent different concepts for that particular experience to learn a particular lesson or series of lessons. And it takes those patterns and focuses them down into the center of that sphere. The sphere is still there because it’s only taken a few of these concepts and focused them into the center to create, as an analogy, this little core hard seed in the center that is the focal point of those patterns.

That’s you, that’s us. That’s the physical person, that’s the physical experience. That’s where it’s having the physical experience — is within the soul, in the center of the soul. As you learn and you grow, you soften that focus. And as you soften that focus and start expanding back out toward the diameter, shall we say, of the soul sphere, you then start exhibiting more attributes of the soul. You can become more telepathic, more psychic — astral projection, near death experience, dead back to the soul self. So incarnations are like the soul breathing, focusing to the center, having an experience, going back out to the soul self.

MAYIM BIALIK: If everyone has that, where is the interaction that we’re having right now?

DARRYL ANKA: By agreement, by telepathic agreement, vibrational agreement.

MAYIM BIALIK: So he has a little seed and I have a seed.

DARRYL ANKA: You are a seed.

MAYIM BIALIK: I’m sorry, I am a seed.

JONATHAN COHEN: And each of our souls has come down in a pause. This is all happening in a pause.

DARRYL ANKA: But our souls are still in contact with one another.

MAYIM BIALIK: Non physically, but in this plane. We have a table here. And this is a book and this is a computer. And we have a conscious experience of being here.

DARRYL ANKA: Yes, but all of these are the props that we’re creating in our consciousness.

MAYIM BIALIK: So is there a simulation component of your understanding and Bashar’s?

DARRYL ANKA: But it’s our simulation, not someone else’s. It’s our simulation for our purposes, for experiencing certain things, learning certain lessons that help our souls grow in the way we chose to for this life.

Channeling Knowledge: How Alien Ships Travel

MAYIM BIALIK: What have you had to add to your personal — like Darryl Encyclopedia of Information — in order to channel? Meaning, sometimes people have a near death experience and in that experience they learn things that they have no background in. Right. They’ll return from an NDE with an understanding of like, quantum mechanics and things. Have there been things that you’ve had to learn? Have there been things that have been placed in you?

DARRYL ANKA: In fact, when I’m channeling to someone else, I can have a separate conversation with him about stuff I want to know about and he can talk to me simultaneously. That’s even freakier.

JONATHAN COHEN: Do you talk to him when you’re not channeling for others, in dreams?

DARRYL ANKA: I have. Generally there have been a few times when I’ve asked — like, for example, early on, should I go on my ambiocs breakdown?

MAYIM BIALIK: He definitely said yes.

DARRYL ANKA: Oh, he definitely said yes.

JONATHAN COHEN: He’s like, I don’t know about you.

DARRYL ANKA: Absolutely, yes. I wanted to know how do your spaceships work? How do you get here from star to star? How does that work? The download took a second. It took me three hours to write it out.

But he explained how they do it — it has to do with vibrational resonance. It has to do with the idea that time and space are illusions and that everything actually exists here at once. But from a physical point of view, that means that everything you consider to be a location has a specific signature frequency to it. So if they can surround their ship — let’s say, isolate their ship with some kind of a force field that takes them out of any particular reality —

MAYIM BIALIK: This is in Lou Elizondo’s book also, he talks about —

DARRYL ANKA: And they can impose a frequency of a different location. They instantly shift to that location.

JONATHAN COHEN: So this is time travel?

DARRYL ANKA: No, it’s space travel, but it’s space-time travel. It’s shifting. It’s shifting vibrationally from one location to another.

JONATHAN COHEN: And can they do it physically without a ship?

DARRYL ANKA: They can at this point in their evolution. But one of the reasons — we asked him this one time, why do you still have ships if you can do that? And he said, “Because you need us to.”

JONATHAN COHEN: I thought I was going to say we have a lot of luggage now.

DARRYL ANKA: “You need us to.” Because other civilizations need us to arrive like that because they wouldn’t understand if we just popped into their living room.

MAYIM BIALIK: Here’s a funny question. Does Bashar have a sense of humor?

DARRYL ANKA: Oh, absolutely, constantly. That’s one of the things people comment on the most, is that he has a very wry sense of humor.

The Channeling Experience

MAYIM BIALIK: I’ve seen some of the videos. There’s a very specific countenance that you take on. It definitely doesn’t seem like you. It’s a different countenance. It’s a different speech cadence. And it’s very, very interesting. I’m curious if you can tell us a little bit about kind of what’s the longest that you spend in that space? Is it exhausting? Like, what does it feel like either emotionally or somatically? Like, what are you aware of when you’re channeling?

DARRYL ANKA: In the beginning, it was tough to take. I’d say for the first two years, every time I did it, I would be exhausted afterward. Once I started sort of letting go of anything that was sort of in the way of trusting it and just getting old ideas out and stuff like that, then it started energizing me. So now it energizes me. I’m left with that. The longest stint I think I ever channeled was about five hours. Now it’s on average, 90 minutes to two hours.

MAYIM BIALIK: That’s a long time, though, to be in that.

DARRYL ANKA: It doesn’t feel like that, though. To me, it feels like maybe it’s been 20 minutes.

JONATHAN COHEN: I’m curious about the exhaustion part. Is it because you were nervous about what would be happening?

DARRYL ANKA: No. Too much energy. Not used to the energy level.

JONATHAN COHEN: Not used to the energy level.

MAYIM BIALIK: Also, your brain is operating in a different state.

JONATHAN COHEN: Have you ever thought, like, I’m not sure what to say or if I should?

DARRYL ANKA: I’m not saying anything. I never plan. No. Yeah. It’s like you’re driving a car, but now you shift over to the passenger side and somebody else is driving. You can look out the window and pay attention to other things, but I’m—

JONATHAN COHEN: —always terrified that the person driving isn’t going to do a good job.

DARRYL ANKA: Oh, well, I know he’s going to do a good job. I don’t have to worry about his driving record. He’s been doing this for 41 years now with me, so.

JONATHAN COHEN: But at the beginning, was there ever a time where you were a little bit of a nervous passenger or just kind of?

DARRYL ANKA: No, because I already knew that was what the research was about. I already knew it could be a helpful thing.

MAYIM BIALIK: And you remember everything.

DARRYL ANKA: I remember snippets of concepts that I need. I don’t hear the words. That fades like a dream. So I’m aware there’s something happening.

MAYIM BIALIK: You’re in a different brain state.

DARRYL ANKA: Literally, I’m aware there’s something happening. But you know how, if you’re having a really strong daydream and somebody walks in the room and goes, “Mayim, Mayim.” And you just like, “What?” You don’t hear it for like the third time they call you. It’s like that. The conversation might as well be happening in another room.

MAYIM BIALIK: I always have to call you three times before you listen to me. Are you channeling?

Dream States and Astral Projection

JONATHAN COHEN: I am. I am very focused. I had a dream last night that I have never had before in my life, and it shook me. And I’m wondering if the dream had anything to do with this podcast, because I believe people come together and have a certain resonance and change to it.

DARRYL ANKA: I’m going to guess that it probably does, because that happens when Bashar does private sessions. He tells people, “Look, anytime I’m going to actually be talking to anyone physically through the channel, we always have a meeting in the dream state first to set it up.”

JONATHAN COHEN: Here’s the quick version of the dream. I forget why I was — I was somewhere very high. It was either a plane, but it didn’t feel like a plane, but I was at a vantage point that was extremely high. And there was a quick negotiation and I was released from that vantage point and it was a free fall. And I passed a bird that was flying and I was like, “Oh, that’s weird that I’m falling faster than this creature that should be able to go wherever it wants.” And it’s just an absolute free fall. And I’m like, oh, there was a moment of fear and then there was no fear at all. And I’m like, “I’m just going to land like a feather and I’ll be totally in control of it.” And it reminded me of dreams, a recurring dream that I’ve had a lot, which is that I can fly and sort of being in control of flight—

DARRYL ANKA: —is sort of like a typical astral projection, most powerful.

JONATHAN COHEN: But I’ve never had it, that level of free fall. And what struck me was both the terror and then the sense of serene confidence and peace in that free fall.

DARRYL ANKA: You might have been close to experiencing lucidity in the astral form.

MAYIM BIALIK: Explain what an astral projection is.

DARRYL ANKA: Well, remember when I talked about the idea of how the soul — okay, well, then it’s that you have relaxed the idea of your physical focus and you have expanded back out to become — your consciousness now is in the non-physical realm, but not all the way out. So you’re still connected to the vibration of the physical realm, but you’re able to transcend it and go wherever you want to go within a certain amount of parameter. But you’re now freer to explore different things because you’re not limited by any physical boundary. So it’s your consciousness moving. This is also similar to remote viewing. It’s a form of astral projection. It’s more of out of body travel.

MAYIM BIALIK: I had a dream I had a gigantic tumor on my face. Should we talk about that?

DARRYL ANKA: That might be something else.

MAYIM BIALIK: Just kind of dropping that in there. Just to say, who knows?

Unconditional Love and Free Will

JONATHAN COHEN: That leads me to another one of the principles. “You are so loved unconditionally by creation that you can even choose to believe that you are not loved.”

DARRYL ANKA: That’s how unconditionally loved you are.

JONATHAN COHEN: Yeah, I mean, there’s something both profound and very sad in that for me. Profound in that there’s a force that exists that we just have to recognize. And the sadness is that there isn’t some more guidance to help pick people up who are really struggling.

DARRYL ANKA: But it is there, but you have absolute free will to ignore it because that’s—

JONATHAN COHEN: I think the sadness is the people who, for whatever reason, haven’t felt it yet or are choosing—

DARRYL ANKA: Yeah, but your sadness is temporally based. And what I mean by that is remember that souls are actually eternal and infinite. And therefore everyone’s always going to have another choice and another choice and another choice and another choice. It never ends. So everyone will get it at some point. There’s no reason to be sad if they don’t get it in one particular life. That’s the way that life went. They’ll learn from it.

Teaching the Principles

MAYIM BIALIK: In terms of the principles and in particular the wisdom that you have and the formula — is this something that you have an agreement with Bashar to be able to articulate this and to package it in a way that people can have access to? Is this something that is an agreement of sorts?

DARRYL ANKA: Yeah, because I’ll be — at this point, now that I understand that as deeply as I do, I will actually start teaching classes on this. Because in any 90 minute channeling event, it’s not enough time for people to really grasp the concepts. So I’ll be doing week long, two week long courses, hours and hours a day, so that through talking and also illustrations and demonstrations and what have you, people can really lock into the concepts, make them their own and apply them in their lives to get an effect.

So, yeah, I know enough about it to be able to do that now. And I’ve been starting to do that. At certain events I go to, I will sometimes teach, like, one part of the class.

Opening Intuition and Raising Vibration

JONATHAN COHEN: How do people start to open up their intuition or telepathic capability?

DARRYL ANKA: Well, again, the most important thing is to follow your passion. Because when you do act on your passion, what happens? You raise your vibrational frequency. And when you raise your vibrational frequency, what happens? You become a better receiver or a better antenna for higher frequency information and higher frequency abilities. And so it just goes hand in hand.

I mean, in a sense, from Bashar’s point of view — and now I understand this — this is just physics. You can’t perceive what you’re not. The vibration of — you have to be equal to the vibration of something. You have to be there first before you can perceive that. And when you’re operating on a higher level, you can’t have anything but the thoughts that go with that level. The only way to have more negative thoughts is to leave that level and go down to a lower vibration that is commensurate with those negative thoughts. Everything has its level.

JONATHAN COHEN: I’ve heard it described as there’s a point of no return when you start to explore healing and personal development where you kind of realize that there’s a tipping point.

DARRYL ANKA: Yeah, absolutely. Bashar talked about that for his own civilization. He basically said, “Look, we’ve been making positive choices in our society for so long. It would actually be a challenge for us to choose something negative.” There’s so much inertia, so much momentum energetically in our collective society that no one would even think about trying to go and make some negative choice — it would actually be difficult for them to do that. They would struggle to go negatively at this point.

Navigating Uncertainty in the World

MAYIM BIALIK: I think, especially with kind of what the world feels like now — there’s a lot of extra uncertainty. I think there’s a lack of trust, whether it’s lack of trust in leadership or in the news that’s reporting on the leadership. It feels like a very confusing time. And as a parent of a teenager and someone in college, I’m also hearing from young people who feel very disillusioned.

DARRYL ANKA: Absolutely.

MAYIM BIALIK: What would you be able to offer from what you have learned from Bashar about sort of the place of whether it’s evil in the world or negativity?

DARRYL ANKA: Well, it goes back to what we talked about earlier. We have to understand that sometimes a soul will choose to do something that will point out to us the things that we’ve been doing that do not serve us. And they’ll do it more and more strongly to get our attention.

MAYIM BIALIK: Like a child.

DARRYL ANKA: Exactly. So it’s kind of like, are we going to finally pay attention or are we just going to break down? So we’re seeing more and more extreme versions of that because we have to wake up and we have to decide that we’re not going to allow that to happen anymore. And we have to go to the causes of these things and not just deal with the symptoms.

The second thing I’ll say about that is one of the things I really appreciate about the information that’s come through is sometimes how it paradoxically reverses our preconceptions about things. Like what you said — we have a lack of trust. From his perspective, there’s no such thing as a lack of trust. There is, however, a trust in lack. We’re always trusting something to be true. But are you trusting what works for you or what doesn’t work for you? There’s no such thing as lacking trust.

And here’s an example sometimes of Bashar’s humor. When someone might come up to him and say, “I’m not very confident,” he’ll say, “Well, you’re confident about that, aren’t you? You are confident that you’re not confident.” So it’s not that you’re not confident. You’re using your confidence to be confident in something that doesn’t work for you.

JONATHAN COHEN: And people will say, “Well, my life has proven over and over and over again. Therefore it’s true.”

DARRYL ANKA: Yes, but then he explains how that works and why they get that reflection. The reflection reinforces a belief they already had. And he can point out what that belief is that is causing that reflection that then reinforces itself.

JONATHAN COHEN: A lot of people listening have health conditions, which are a real hard situation to break out of a belief system from.

Darryl Anka on Belief Systems, Personal Life, and Preparing for Contact

DARRYL ANKA: That’s a belief. That’s a belief that it’s hard to break out of. That’s a belief. See what I mean, how automatic that is when we get into that? Well, everyone knows it’s hard to break. No, everyone doesn’t know that. Everyone doesn’t need to know that. That’s a belief. So he’s very quick about pointing out, listen to what goes through your head. Listen what comes out of your mouth. You’re reinforcing something that doesn’t work for you.

When you say it’s hard to do that, yes, it may be a challenge you laid out for yourself on your life, but that doesn’t mean you can’t face that challenge in a way that gives you a positive result and gives you a lesson you need to learn.

JONATHAN COHEN: It’s unpacking every idea that we have, every, and holding a space of the unknown. To say, there is something here that I may not realize how it turns out yet, but there may be a different potential for it.

DARRYL ANKA: Exactly. Always. Everything can serve double duty. Everything.

MAYIM BIALIK: Even death as well.

DARRYL ANKA: Death is the finish of our school year, so to speak, the finish of our lesson. We’re going back when we’re done to decide how to use the lessons we learned here and to move on to something else.

Darryl’s Personal Life and His Relationship with Bashar

MAYIM BIALIK: You mentioned that you met your wife in a class. What has your personal life been like? Because in a sense, you carry another set of wisdom with you, another personality.

DARRYL ANKA: Yeah, well, I mean, it’s definitely made a change in who I am in terms of things like emotional balance, in terms of just, again, experiencing more synchronicity in just knowing how things actually work allows me not to be reactive to things. It allows me to say, let me maintain, at the very least, a neutral position so that I can decide how I’m going to define this experience. And it is by how I define it that will determine how I experience it.

Because I know now everything can serve double duty. As Bashar often says, it doesn’t really matter what happens. It matters what you do with what happens that makes the difference in your life. And so I’ve gotten to the point where I can hold a space for myself, where I’m not automatically reacting to unconscious, built-in belief systems that are out of alignment with who I prefer to be.

I am able to say this is happening in my life for a reason. Let me figure out what that reason is so I can use it not only to help myself, but maybe also to help the other people involved. Because maybe there’s something about this situation that they need to understand as well as I need to understand. Because I understand maybe what I’m dealing with is not my issue, but their issue. And I need to maybe help them figure out how they can get around that.

MAYIM BIALIK: Does Bashar help you make any decisions in your personal life? For example, did you say to Bashar, should I have kids? Should I do this? Should I do that? No. Those are decisions you make on your own.

DARRYL ANKA: Absolutely. I mean, it wouldn’t be a real relationship if he was trying to run me. He has his life, I have my life. We work together.

JONATHAN COHEN: It’s a work relationship.

MAYIM BIALIK: Do you have any indication from Bashar how long this relationship will last? Meaning, is he with you for your

DARRYL ANKA: earthly life, I would think. I’m not positive about this. I would think that once extraterrestrials are physically here, there would be no reason to have to channel him. You can talk to the ETs yourself.

MAYIM BIALIK: I mean, I wouldn’t assume that I can communicate with extraterrestrials when they get here.

The Two Types of Extraterrestrials and Open Contact

DARRYL ANKA: Why not? Now, let’s just break this down into two basic types of extraterrestrials. We’ve talked about the hybrids. Hybrid extraterrestrials are a specific type that have a lot to do with our genetics being mixed in there with them. And they may, most of them look enough like us that they can be among us and have been among us for a long time already, helping create different things in the sciences, in philosophy, in sociology, in politics, whatever they’re helping. When open contact occurs, my understanding is we will be told who they are and we will be able to interact with them in public.

JONATHAN COHEN: It’s me.

MAYIM BIALIK: No, it’s not.

DARRYL ANKA: No. None of them would reveal themselves.

MAYIM BIALIK: None of them would be tall Canadians.

DARRYL ANKA: None of them will reveal who they are at this moment. There have been instances where people have reported seeing, like there was something very odd about this person. I couldn’t put my finger on it. They felt like they weren’t from here, but then I just went about my business. They have the telepathic ability to recognize when you recognize them and to turn you away and make you think about something else.

MAYIM BIALIK: “These are not the droids you are looking for.”

DARRYL ANKA: Exactly. So that’s one phase of open contact. The next phase is the pure extraterrestrials who will be introduced to us. Those we may not interact with a lot right away, but over the course of a few decades, they’ll be fully integrated into our society and we into theirs. But first, the extraterrestrial hybrids that have already been here. We can interact with them.

MAYIM BIALIK: Would that mean the end of your relationship?

DARRYL ANKA: I don’t need to channel if you can talk to an extraterrestrial hybrid.

MAYIM BIALIK: Because that might be sad. He’s been with you for—

DARRYL ANKA: No, because I’m going to still teach the principles, and that energy is still there. The connection is still there.

MAYIM BIALIK: Why am I sad about it and you’re not?

DARRYL ANKA: I don’t know.

JONATHAN COHEN: She’s sad about a lot of things.

DARRYL ANKA: But that’s very sweet of you.

Other Extraterrestrial Beings and the Timeline for Disclosure

JONATHAN COHEN: Can we talk about the other aliens that are not the gray hybrids? What’s their deal?

DARRYL ANKA: Well, there are beings that people have called out as being Pleiadian, Arcturan, whatever, Reptilian, the mantis beings, insectoid beings. I think that as we get introduced to more and more extraterrestrials, we will be introduced to ones that at first are more like us, so we don’t freak out. And then—

MAYIM BIALIK: I’m freaked out already.

DARRYL ANKA: And then over time, more of the ones that are not like us at all, because there are many more extraterrestrials that have no relationship to what we look like.

MAYIM BIALIK: Okay, I’m going to ask another stupid and cynical question.

DARRYL ANKA: Okay.

MAYIM BIALIK: What happens if this doesn’t happen? Meaning, will you get further information about why it didn’t happen?

DARRYL ANKA: Okay, absolutely. But it will happen. It’s inevitable at this point.

MAYIM BIALIK: Like, soon.

DARRYL ANKA: 2027.

MAYIM BIALIK: Oh, geez. Okay.

JONATHAN COHEN: Also pretty specific.

DARRYL ANKA: Well, 2026 is the year of disclosure, and that’s why we’re seeing more information in the congressional hearings come out.

MAYIM BIALIK: Just thought it was the year that I was finally going to get fit.

DARRYL ANKA: And then it will culminate in the idea of an actual official public presentation.

How to Prepare for Extraterrestrial Contact

MAYIM BIALIK: What would you like us to do to prepare? What do you think? Either you or what is the information? This is what to do to prepare.

DARRYL ANKA: Because it raises your vibration and makes you more vibrationally capable of interacting with higher vibrational beings. So that’s what you do, is follow

JONATHAN COHEN: the formula. Given that human beings are not so great with welcoming the other, even the other amongst the same species—

DARRYL ANKA: Well, that’s why it will take decades for this to be absorbed into our society.

JONATHAN COHEN: Are we concerned that there are going to be armed, resilient resistance to welcoming aliens?

DARRYL ANKA: But the aliens have an advanced technology where that’s not a worry to them.

JONATHAN COHEN: They can’t get shot.

DARRYL ANKA: They can’t get shot.

JONATHAN COHEN: If they do, do they get annoyed with that? Is that like a mosquito biting them? They’re like, what are these guys doing?

DARRYL ANKA: I mean, again, look at it this way. Like I said, the adults are stepping into the room. You can recognize when a child is throwing a tantrum, but you understand it’s a child, and it doesn’t really understand what’s going on. So you’re not getting annoyed so much as you’re going, I’ll let you calm down for a minute, and then we’ll have a conversation.

MAYIM BIALIK: Is this going to be like a dun, dun, dun, dun. Here we are.

JONATHAN COHEN: She wants to be a part of the inaugural committee.

DARRYL ANKA: This is in phases. It’s in phases. I think at first, in disclosure, we’re going to have more and more absolute proof that their ships are real. In other words, on the news, I’m going to be a little facetious right now. Maybe this is literal and maybe it’s not, but just like you have a nightly weather report. Here’s the nightly UFO report.

JONATHAN COHEN: Report.

DARRYL ANKA: This is what was seen over Brazil today. Here’s a photograph. This is what was seen over Washington D.C. today. Here’s a photograph. So the ships at first will be documented more clearly. So, yeah, will be documented more clearly. Then it will lead to, okay, we’re going to have either something like a State of the Union address or an official press release or a press conference.

MAYIM BIALIK: Trump’s still going to be president.

DARRYL ANKA: No, no.

JONATHAN COHEN: I mean, you don’t want to send the nukes out to the ships, you know, you can’t.

DARRYL ANKA: Like I said, ships over missile silos off. We’ve done that. We’ve seen that several times. Malmstrom Air Force Base, around the world, ships over nuclear silos.

MAYIM BIALIK: Why would I not feel threatened by what you just said?

DARRYL ANKA: Because they’re showing us we won’t have a war. A global thermonuclear war we won’t be able to launch against one another.

MAYIM BIALIK: I’m going to say a horrible thing. What if this is just all a plot to infiltrate and invade and maim and kill?

DARRYL ANKA: With their level of advanced technology, they could have done this a hundred times over. Why would they wait until we had nuclear weapons to do so? Why wouldn’t they have taken us over when we were Neanderthals if they could do it? They’ve been around for millions of years.

MAYIM BIALIK: They want our donuts.

JONATHAN COHEN: They were waiting for us to make good candy.

DARRYL ANKA: This is where human-based fears come in. Without understanding what true intelligence is.

MAYIM BIALIK: I mean, all my fears are based on lack of understanding what true intelligence is.

DARRYL ANKA: Well, exactly, because from Bashar’s perspective, true intelligence operates on whole systems. It would never do anything to eliminate any part of the system to which it belongs to, because it would be damaging itself.

Spontaneous Healing and the Role of Vibration

JONATHAN COHEN: That makes a lot of sense. And I like this sort of operational view. There’s probably so much more to gain in that operational view. But if I shift to a couple of the practical questions. What’s involved in spontaneous healing?

DARRYL ANKA: What’s involved in spontaneous healing is first to understand that a healer never heals anyone directly. A healer puts out a vibrational frequency that represents the healed state. If the person requiring the healing decides that they’re going to match that frequency, they will heal themselves.

JONATHAN COHEN: This is, I think, one of the most simple explanations I’ve heard.

DARRYL ANKA: Let’s just say in the Bible, Jesus never healed anyone. He said, “Your faith has healed you. Your belief has healed you.”

JONATHAN COHEN: I want to repeat it though. That’s why the notion is that a

DARRYL ANKA: healer puts out a vibration that represents the healed state. The person requiring the healing has to agree to mirror that state within themselves, thereby healing themselves.

JONATHAN COHEN: And we all know how to do that. We all can recognize this frequency and match it.

DARRYL ANKA: The only reason it wouldn’t happen is if there is another lesson to learn by maintaining the disease. Not only the lesson may be for the person, but sometimes a soul will choose to have that experience for what other people around that person will learn.

Spirit Teams, Guardian Angels, and Life Contracts

JONATHAN COHEN: And if they’re struggling, can they get out of that contract by saying, “I no longer want to?” Just kidding.

MAYIM BIALIK: I get it.

DARRYL ANKA: If it was part of the life path choice, yes. If it wasn’t, no.

JONATHAN COHEN: How do you know if it’s part of that choice? Can you muscle test? How do you figure it out?

DARRYL ANKA: Well, you just go through it and learn whatever lessons you can extract from it. Because if you use up the lessons and there’s no more reason for it, it will go away. If it stays, there’s still a purpose for it.

MAYIM BIALIK: It’s like when we say, you know, your defects — if they’re serving you, you’ll hold on to them.

DARRYL ANKA: Exactly.

MAYIM BIALIK: And when they no longer serve you, you will let them go.

DARRYL ANKA: Exactly. But it’s also about sometimes serving others. Because sometimes a person that comes in with a particular condition is because of what doctors will learn from that, that will help humanity.

MAYIM BIALIK: You’re welcome. To every doctor I’ve ever been to, you’re welcome. You didn’t know someone could have influenza A and B at the same time.

DARRYL ANKA: You’ve learned something that can help someone else. Exactly.

JONATHAN COHEN: Do we all have angels? Guardian angels, a non-physical support system?

DARRYL ANKA: Everyone has a spirit team, sometimes hundreds of beings.

JONATHAN COHEN: Hundreds?

DARRYL ANKA: Yeah. Now you might have two or three main spirit guides that are specifically like, “Okay, I have the expertise to help you in this particular situation,” or “This guide switches off — I have the expertise to help you in that particular situation.”

Guardian angels are sometimes referred to as birth angels. They’re the ones that keep you on the planet until you have actually agreed to leave. So that’s why we have a lot of near-death experiences, or a lot of things where people go, “I should have died, why didn’t I die?” Or people attempting suicide that don’t succeed —

JONATHAN COHEN: They missed a gunshot.

DARRYL ANKA: The birth angel says, “Not your time.”

JONATHAN COHEN: So how much interference depends on the —

DARRYL ANKA: — level of what you’re doing to yourself. So let’s say it’s something where, like you said, somebody puts a gun to their head. Somehow it jams. That could literally be the guardian angel saying, “That gun’s going to work.” They can affect physical material that strongly if there’s a need to. But they will try probably something more subtle earlier.

MAYIM BIALIK: The most famous example — Abraham and Isaac. He’s about to kill him, and the angel says, “Stop.”

Connecting with Your Spirit Team

JONATHAN COHEN: What are your thoughts about people interacting with their guardian angels on a regular basis? Should we be acknowledging them?

DARRYL ANKA: Yes, say hi. Say, “Help.” And that doesn’t mean that they’re going to just give you everything you want. It means they’re going to help you figure out how to do it yourself. But you can always talk to them.

MAYIM BIALIK: Is this information that you had before Bashar?

DARRYL ANKA: No.

MAYIM BIALIK: Why does Bashar know about guardian angels?

JONATHAN COHEN: Bashar knows about everything because he knows about how the universe is structured.

DARRYL ANKA: That’s number one. Number two, they operate on a frequency that is actually very close to spirit. And that’s one of the reasons why sometimes in the presence of ETs, people panic — because when you’re exposed to a vibration that we read as the vibration of spirit, our primitive mind goes, “I’m about to die,” and it goes into fight-or-flight, survival mode. And the fear comes up in us. You’re not going to die. But that’s how we react to being exposed to a frequency we read as the frequency of death.

MAYIM BIALIK: And also, what I’m thinking of is when people are in the presence of a great healer, or a mystic, or charismatic leaders — whether it’s Jesus, or when you think about being in the presence of someone who has achieved enlightenment — it’s often frightening. In Hebrew, we talk about this awe, like the words are that you’re trembling. And it’s that notion. And I wonder if that’s sort of —

DARRYL ANKA: — like it’s a reaction to that higher frequency, because we’re not used to that and we feel like we’re about to be annihilated by it. And so you go into survival mode.

Addiction, Emptiness, and the Digital Age

JONATHAN COHEN: I see people talking, and I’m reflecting what I’ve seen, which is that many people are holding on to the narrative. They’re holding on to their ideas. They can’t, or they’re struggling to shift their reality. And so when they get in the presence and they feel something different, they’re terrified because they’re not sure about taking that next leap — what that actually means, to leave that all behind.

Can you talk about that? But what also strikes me is, how does addiction play into keeping us stuck? Is it just another tool to help us avoid the discomfort of taking that step?

DARRYL ANKA: In a sense, addiction from Bashar’s point of view is trying to fill an emptiness that you feel. Trying to feel a connection where you don’t feel one. And you’re either doing one of two things — you are either attempting to numb it so you don’t feel it, or you’re trying to fill it with something that will never fill it.

JONATHAN COHEN: The God-shaped hole.

DARRYL ANKA: But it’s about the idea of feeling a disconnection, feeling an emptiness, not feeling connected to source.

JONATHAN COHEN: Is that one of our greatest challenges of the digital era — the feeling of emptiness?

DARRYL ANKA: Absolutely. Feeling disconnected. Strangely enough, paradoxically enough, when we have an Internet that connects all of us, we feel more disconnected than ever because we’re not really interacting.

Creativity as Spiritual Practice

JONATHAN COHEN: How important is it for people to have a creative practice as a spiritual connection?

DARRYL ANKA: I think it’s very important. You have to balance the grounded, practical stuff with the creative stuff in life, I think, to be a whole human being in some way, shape, or form. And I think a lot of creative practices do have a knack for connecting you to spiritual awareness. Absolutely. Although again, I’m not saying that grounded stuff can’t do that too, because staying grounded on the earth is also in a sense a spiritual practice.

JONATHAN COHEN: Something that’s very grounded — working with your hands in some way — can also be highly creative because you’re solving problems, so you’re using both sides.

DARRYL ANKA: That is why my wife and I created an escape room in Calabasas.

MAYIM BIALIK: Valerie and I were just talking about this. What is that venture like? How do you see that as an extension of the work that you get to do?

DARRYL ANKA: Well, we came out of the film industry, and we made three indie movies, and you can’t really make a great living that way. And we were looking around like, “Well, what uses the same skill sets we have that is more of a year-round business?” And somebody suggested we were first going to talk about doing haunted houses that come out every Halloween because they are very lucrative. But somebody suggested an escape room. We said, “Well, what’s that?” And so we started doing research and found out that it’s exactly what we were looking for, because I’m building sets, I’m building props, I’m telling stories.

MAYIM BIALIK: Telling a story.

DARRYL ANKA: It’s just that the people are now the actors in the movie.

Closing Thoughts and Where to Find Darryl

MAYIM BIALIK: I want to recommend — it’s not an easy read, but it’s a logical and clear read. It’s really organized and very intentionally assembled so that you can understand practically what the things are that we’re all working on collectively. I do recommend The Formula.

DARRYL ANKA: Yeah, The Formula is going to come out from St. Martin’s Press next year, probably as more of a workbook, so you can really go through exercises in it that help lock some of those concepts.

MAYIM BIALIK: It’s really unbelievable. Where else can we direct people to learn more about the work you do and about Bashar?

DARRYL ANKA: To learn about Bashar, you can go to bashar.org — B-A-S-H-A-R dot org. For the escape room, boggled escape rooms.com. For anything else I’m doing, like books and so on and so forth, you can go to darrylanka.com — D-A-R-R-Y-L-A-N-K-A dot com.

MAYIM BIALIK: If we are still doing this podcast next year, will you come back?

DARRYL ANKA: Oh, absolutely.

MAYIM BIALIK: Because I feel like there might be more for us to talk about.

JONATHAN COHEN: Sure.

DARRYL ANKA: Always. We’ve only scratched the surface.

JONATHAN COHEN: We really have. As we transition as a human civilization into the next phase, can you leave us with a message that you hope people will take away?

DARRYL ANKA: What I can say about following all the steps of the formula is that I know it does work. Even before I knew anything about Bashar — and maybe because this was going to happen in my life — I have always been a person that refused to do anything that was not representative of my passion. And I’ve been doing that now for well over half a century. And it has always supported me, always.

So it does work. You can make a living that way, because you have to understand there’s more than one form of abundance in the world. It’s not just about the idea of money, although that’s one valid representation of abundance. There are many forms of abundance — like synchronicity, like being given a gift, like having something to trade. Communication, imagination, time, and space are all forms of abundance.

And if you allow all forms of abundance to be equally valid, then they can work together to give you the 100% abundance you need to always move forward. So you just have to relax your definition of what abundance is and allow it to flow to you more automatically and more naturally, and you will be taken care of.

MAYIM BIALIK: I would say this is one of the most unusual conversations we’ve had. It was very, very enjoyable, though, and really fascinating. And we appreciate the opportunity not just to have you able to communicate the things that Bashar brings you, but also for people to understand what it’s like to be the person who’s holding this kind of information. We really appreciate it.

DARRYL ANKA: Oh, my pleasure. Thank you for having me.

MAYIM BIALIK: Thank you so much.

JONATHAN COHEN: And if Bashar has a co-worker who wants to talk to me, I’m ready. I’m ready to channel.

DARRYL ANKA: Be careful what you wish for.

Reflections on Channeling

MAYIM BIALIK: Obviously, this reminded me a lot of our conversation with Lee Harris, who also is channeling information, but has a very different kind of entry point in that Lee Harris was literally on the subway one night and this kind of came to him. It’s really interesting that Darryl accessed this channeling opportunity through meditation and more through an intentional “Can I receive information?” He obviously was open to it.

As he says himself, there’s no way to kind of verify the veracity of this. We don’t know if it’s absolutely true. What he knows is that he believes he’s tapping into something that feels outside of his cognitive experience, feels like it’s being downloaded. It feels like it’s coming in an instant, and there’s some sort of process that he’s in with this other part of his consciousness.

JONATHAN COHEN: What do you think about the change in brain state that was identified in the documentary, and connected to this idea of the change in brain state that we have when we’re in play in that way, or in a creative space?

The Five Laws of Existence

MAYIM BIALIK: Yeah, I mean, what he’s talking about is sort of what we’ve talked about a lot when we speak about meditation. What frequency, right, are you vibrating at? Where if you were to do an EEG, an electroencephalogram, recording what is your brain doing. And yeah, we know that there are different states that people can get into and that they do get into.

And people like Richard Davidson who have done brain imaging of people, monks in deep meditative states, we know that the brain is going to behave differently. I don’t know enough about EEG recordings to be able to say that between 9 and 10 and 11 hertz is a shift that’s statistically significant. I just don’t have that information at hand.

But what I will say is I think it’s interesting that when undergoing an EEG study, there was a difference that apparently could be detected of different states. And what that indicates, again, is not proof of anything. What it shows is that he is in a different kind of vibrational frequency when he’s receiving this information, or when Bashar is listening to information versus when it’s his brain activity that’s being recorded.

JONATHAN COHEN: It is fascinating what we can access in different states. We think that just wherever we are is the nature of our reality, and how much is available to us as we shift how we’re operating, how we’re thinking, what our belief systems are, and even the speed at which our brain is processing.

MAYIM BIALIK: Yeah. And also, one of the things that he talks about in A Gift from the Future, which he says, as he mentioned, it’s this kind of openness that he’s hoping people will have, which is the same kind of openness that he believes will be necessary for whatever our next incarnation is, whether it’s having contact with extraterrestrials or whether it’s just being more in touch with our own needs and our own destinies.

What I was kind of pleased to find in this book is that there’s nothing so outside of the realm of understanding that it’s like everybody needs to paint their faces blue. It’s nothing like that. It’s five principles: that existence is all that there is; everything’s an expression or reflection of existence; everything exists here and now; everything’s determined by resonance or a state of being; and everything constantly changes, except these laws.

These are the five principles, or what he calls the laws of existence. These are things that are helpful, wise, very interesting. And there’s also different actions you can undertake and effects that those have.

Closing Thoughts

JONATHAN COHEN: It’s a very interesting conversation and something we didn’t even expect as we started this podcast.

MAYIM BIALIK: Not at all. And who knows? I mean, now I feel like I’ve got to really suit up and show up for 2026.

JONATHAN COHEN: I nominate you to be on the alien greeting committee, putting forward a panel of humanity.

MAYIM BIALIK: Now that you’re here, I want you to meet this one.

JONATHAN COHEN: I was also thinking maybe you should host those news updates, for Pete’s sake. “Over the Sedona Mountains today, we saw…” Brought to you by Mayim Bialik.

MAYIM BIALIK: Let’s all stay tuned for that. But until then, from our breakdown to the one we hope you never have, we’ll see you next time.

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