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What Tumors Eat, And How To Poison Them: Dr. Christal Sohl (Transcript)

Full text of cancer researcher Dr. Christal Sohl’s talk titled ‘What tumors eat, and how to poison them’ at TEDxTulsaCC conference.

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Dr. Christal Sohl – Cancer researcher

About the time I first started researching how tumors grow and develop, my aunt Lizzie was diagnosed with breast cancer. I’m sure probably all of you have been in my shoes where a loved one receives a cancer diagnosis, and you want to do everything you possibly can to learn about all of the available treatment strategies.

The breast cancer subtype that my aunt had which was HER2-positive… this actually represents one of the earliest and really most famous examples of a cancer subtype that has a precision medicine associated with it, in this case Herceptin.

And so the difference between precision medicines and traditional chemotherapies which do often work very well is a little bit like spraying a field with a crop duster in order to get rid of weeds, instead of going in and spraying just each individual weed in order to get rid of it.

And so the challenge though in cancer is that we can’t always tell the difference between the weed and the crop or maybe we can tell the difference but we don’t have an effective pesticide yet, or maybe like in the case of my late aunt Lizzie, we can tell the difference between the weed and the crop.

We have an amazing pesticide but ultimately the patient stops responding and relapses.

So in my lab at San Diego State University, we’re interested in understanding how these weeds work, though we call them tumor drivers. And these tumor drivers can happen as a result of any random genetic mishap, a mutation, deletion, amplification.

Imagine, for example, you’re a protein and your job is basically to be stationed right outside the cell, and you are constantly scanning, scanning, scanning looking for clues about the health of the environment whether there’s a lot of resources around. And if you determine that times are good you change your shape in just such a way that you signal to inside the cell that times are great, and that cell now knows that it can grow and divide, and grow and divide.

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But imagine that you pick up a mutation, and so now you’re stuck in that grow shape. So times could be bad, very dark indeed, but you’re still sending that message of grow and divide, grow and divide, grow and divide.

Or imagine you can still make the right shape at the right time, but maybe instead of 10 of you surrounded around the cell, maybe now there’s 10 000 of you lining that cell, and so now you’re screaming that message instead of just saying it.

That’s a little bit like what happens in the case of HER2+ breast cancers.

So we’re starting to think about tumors less in terms of their tissue of origin: breast cancer, lung cancer, prostate cancer, and more in terms of their drivers — EGFR-positive, HER2 positive, p53 mutated. Because these drivers —  it is true that they can represent essentially a superpower for the tumor.

But it’s really important to know that these tumor drivers can also represent an Achilles’ heel because these tumor cells become so reliant on these pathways, so addicted to these pathways, that if you can go in and strategically shut down just that pathway, well you’re going to harm the tumor cell way more than you’re going to hurt any other cell in the patient.

And of course, that’s always what we’re shooting for in precision medicines in cancer.

One of the most interesting examples of Achilles’ heels is tumor metabolism, or how tumors eat. So let’s say for example you look inside a cell and you see a protein that’s catalyzing hundreds and hundreds of reactions in a second which is extraordinary, they can do this.

And it’s not just that one protein but there are thousands and thousands and thousands of proteins that are catalyzing a variety of different chemical reactions at any time.

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So cells often have a decision that they have to make: are they going to use that delicious carbon that you just ate, whether it’s chocolate cake or burritos or salad? Are you going to devote basically all of that delicious carbon towards driving these chemical reactions?

Or do you need to save some of that carbon towards making stuff, making the protein and the DNA and all the cellular components that you need for a cell to grow and divide.

Well even though it sometimes feels like this is not true when we stand on the bathroom scale in the morning, most of the cells in our body are not actively growing and dividing all the time.

And so this is really an important factor in tumor cells that they are having to balance these two needs to grow and divide and power reactions.

And so we’ve known for a very long time that tumors eat differently than non-proliferating cells. They do this in a couple of ways: they might simply take on a lot more glucose which is cells’ usual favorite dish, or they might be a bit more open-minded about what food is.

And I don’t mean this in the context of trying to psych yourself up to eat protein in the form of bugs. But instead of just glucose, maybe these cells are using glutamine or serine or some of these other small molecule building blocks to allow these cells to rapidly grow and divide.

In my lab at San Diego State University, we’re interested in understanding how these changes in tumor metabolism occur. And one of the proteins that we’re really interested in is called isocitrate dehydrogenase or IDH. And this is a really important protein that basically helps balance levels of important metabolites or small molecules that are needed in the cell to power a lot of these different metabolic reactions.

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And so unfortunately you can develop a mutation in IDH that, well for one, breaks the protein; it can’t do the reaction that it’s supposed to do. But it gets worse… what also happens is that these mutations allow this enzyme to perform a brand new chemical reaction that it was never before able to do, a superpower.

And this superpower is making this metabolite that is kind of like a carcinogen, if it builds up to too high levels in the cell, it basically creates a pro tumor environment; it helps cancers form.

And so in my lab we’re interested in understanding how to shut down this particular reaction, because this can be an important therapeutic.

So it may seem like going after cancer metabolism is too dangerous in the context of precision medicine. To be fair most cells in the body need to grow and divide at some time.

And it’s true sometimes we can’t get the selectivity that we need in order to shut down strategically just cancer metabolism. But in the case of IDH, that single mutation that one change out of three times ten to the ninth size genome that we all have, that single change changes the shape of the protein just enough where it can perform the new reaction, it gets a superpower.

But it also changes the shape just enough where you can design a small molecule therapy, a drug, that can strategically go in and just shut down the mutant; that’s extraordinary.

And in fact, there’s a drug company here in the United States that has actually successfully designed a brand new drug that does just that selectively shuts down that mutant activity. And there are many aunt Lizzies in the clinic today that are benefiting from this important new drug.

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